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Quebec, Nationalists, Nazis and Adrien Arcand

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The great novelist Mordecai Richler forever associated the cause of Québec’s independence to proto-fascist ideology in English-reading minds when he wrote in a series of articles in the New Yorker, later published as Oh Canada! Oh Québec! Requiem for a Divided Country, that:

« From the beginning, French-Canadian nationalism has been badly tainted by racism. The patron saint of the independantists, the Abbé Lionel Groulx was not only a virulent anti-Semite but also a nascent fascist, an unabashed admirer in the thirties of Mussolini, Dollfuss and Salazar. »

Although absolutely true, Richler’s diatribe obscured the fact that Mussolini had many admirers in the 1930’s, from industrialist Henry Ford to presidents and Prime ministers.

One of the most vocal and successful proponents of North American fascism was indeed a French-Canadian, but he was not a nationalist.  From his early days as a reporter at the daily La Presse, through his internment during the war and well after the Allied victory, Adrien Arcand remained an admirer of the British Empire and a fierce opponent of an independent Québec that would have been, in his words, « at the mercy of the Jews. »

The AngryFrenchGuy spoke with Jean-François Nadeau, the author of Le Führer Canadien, the first biography of Adrien Arcand.

On the AngryFrenchGuy website the fascist past of Québec society, and the supposed roots of the nationalist movement in that past, are regularly brought up by some people.   Just how big was the fascist movement in Québec in the 1930’s?

This idea of a movement essentially concentrated in Québec is bullshit.  A thesis upheld by ignorants. In that period, it’s everywhere.  There are movements like this in Brazil, Mexico and many in the United States.  As a matter of fact, Arcand will experience a triumph of sorts in New York where there are gatherings at the Madison Square Garden—today known for hockey—and the New York hippodrome of tens of thousands members of organized groups who welcome him with the fascist salute. This is before 1939.

We tried to forget this, but in the 1920’s and 30’s, even people like Gandhi and president Roosevelt were very open to some aspects of Italian fascism.

In the case of Québec, some have tried in recent years to correlate that past with the national affirmation and indépendantiste movements. It doesn’t hold water.  Those people hate the very idea of Québec’s national affirmation.  They are the most fierce opponents of that idea. They dream about an imperial system—French or English style—but in the name of a very very strong, authoritarian and structured Canada.

Because Arcand is quite the anglophile, isn’t he?

His troops are commanded in English.  He speaks English fluently.  There are other groups like his in French-Canadian society, but he is the one who succeeded in federating other groups in English-Canada, in the West and the East.   He speaks in meetings in the Atlantic provinces and in Toronto.  He travels a lot in Canada, with the objective of founding a far right party, which he will achieve in 1938: the National Unity Party of Canada.

You’ve written that Canadian Prime Ministers encouraged his movement, at least in a underhanded way.

Prime Minister Bennett financed Adrien Arcand’s first antisemitic and virulently racist newspapers in the hope that Arcand, who is a brilliant marketer, would support him and help him elect enough Conservative candidates in Québec for him to form the government in Ottawa.  It worked.

Even after the war, after 1945, there are many federal conservative MP’s who are very close to Arcand, who go to him for counsel and try, in one way or the other, to support some aspects of his doctrine.

Québec Conservatives or Canadian Conservatives?

Mostly French-Canadian, but also English-Canadian.   He always said that the Anglo-Saxon world paid more attention to him than his own Latin world.  In fact his own models are not so much Hitler or Mussolini as they are British Lords who are proponents of a British Imperial Fascism. People like Mosley who inspire him, and with whom he corresponds.

His is a racist, antisemitic, very Hitlerian approach to the far right, but English-style. That’s peculiar.  For him, the New World will come about through the British Empire, the defence of a King and of the British monarchy. That’s why French-Canadian nationalists hate him so much, even if they defend ideas that aren’t far from his.  They reject him because he is an imperialist.

It’s fascinating to read in your book that Arcand was one of the first Holocaust deniers.

After the war, even if his newspapers have lead him into a detention camp, Arcand doesn’t change his mind.

He can’t accept the idea that there had been a massacre of Jews and of political opponents.  He doesn’t need any proof of a Jewish conspiracy, he’s already convinced.   He will be one of the first to deny, on the basis of faith in the irrational that supports all his thought, that death and concentration camps could have existed.

He will be one of the first in 1946-47 to develop those ideas, which he will maintain, to the point of enriching the thinking of those we consider today to be the pioneers of Holocaust denial—that’s not a very appropriate name, we should call them falsificators of History.   He is the one at the root of many of their ideas. In temporal terms, I see that he is writing these sorts of things before the leading theorists of denial even started to write.

One very surprising revelation in your book is that Pierre Elliot Trudeau defended Arcand.  In what way?  Was it a purely legal exercise?

When he was a student in London—but let’s be clear, when I say a young student, I mean a man of almost thirty years, with all his head and able to make a judgment—he wrote in a very conservative newspaper called Notre Temps that what was done to Adrien Arcand was horrible.  He will write that a regime that claims to be democratic but is not able to support the opposition and freedom of speech of Arcand is denying itself.

That’s a little bit odd because he will himself use that very law, the very exceptional and contested War Measures Act, in 1970, to contain the supposed insurection of the Front de Libération du Québec. Yet we could very well take everything he writes in the case of Arcand and transpose it very exactly to the situation in 1970.

It’s very peculiar because people from the far right like Arcand, who are likely to have contacts with the enemy, are a real menace to the Canadian State.  The country is at war against a formidable force.  It’s not an apprehended insurrection like in 1970, it’s a real war with real tanks and aeroplanes and a real man called Adolf Hitler.  And we have people here who wear uniforms with the swastika and are likely to help the enemy from the inside.

It’s not a coincidence if in May 1940, in England and South Africa and all over the world members of these groups are arrested on the exact same day.  In 1970 we suppose there is a menace, but there is no proof.  In 1939-40 we know that Poland has fallen, that France will be hit, that Belgium was hit, that Danzig is done and Czechoslovakia too.  It’s not an apprehended menace. It’s a real physical menace.

So Trudeau’s point of view is a little bit peculiar…

Now, in all fairness, fascist movements in that period weren’t all as anglophile as Arcand’s.  There are also nationalist French-Canadian factions with fascistic tendencies, right?

Yes, and they weren’t quite as important.

A few years ago we decided to do an ideological trial of the work of Lionel Groulx, and it is impossible to deny that there is an antisemitic variable in his thought and his brand of French-Canadian nationalism of the 1930’s.  There is some very antisemitic prose published under his name or his pseudonyms.

But there is a great difference between this thinking and that of Adrien Arcand.  First of all, it’s very latent and there isn’t much of it.  More importantly, it doesn’t support the architecture of the thought.  To use architectural language, if you remove the antisemitic variable from the discourse of people like Lionel Groulx, everything still holds.   If you remove it from Arcand’s movement, everything collapses.  The foundation of his ideology is that there is a Jewish project of world domination and that it is imperative that they be eliminated. That’s not the issue in right wing nationalist movements.

There is also Paul Bouchard’s La Nation group from Québec City, which is very strongly for independence and very antisemitic. They will strongly oppose Arcand’s ideas, even though they essentially are the same as their own: coporatism, against democracy, against representation, against traditional political systems.

But it’s Arcand who succeeded, in those networks, to structure the far right. Not that he was that successful.  In the 1930’s, he wasn’t on his way to become Prime Minister of Canada, far from it.  He was probably 3 or 4 years too late.

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May 10, 2010 at 4:38 pm

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  1. I followed that “very antisemitic prose” link and searched for ‘semite’, ‘sémite’, ‘jew’, ‘juif’ and could not find any of them. I was thaught by my master Pierre Falardeau that the only remotely anti-jew thing Groulx ever wrote was a very short passage about one specific poor jew in that same book (L’appel de la race), and not actually anti-jew in any way. As what I read of Groulx I found roborative but slightly indigestible, I will leave it to a readers of this blog to find me these anti-jew quotes. And please do read: http://agora.qc.ca/liens/gcaldwell.html

    deprenyl

    May 12, 2010 at 5:07 pm

  2. Littlerob, you are to much into “believing” events or things for me to hold a sensible conversation with you. I mean, I am not talking religion here, but facts.

    What Fischer or you “believe” is futile.

    JACOB FURSTENBERG was the first contact to Lenin, wherever he was in Europe. These people did not have any country and were all over at any time. This was their speciality. Networking.

    Long before the Internet.

    Gébé Tremblay

    May 12, 2010 at 9:50 pm

  3. Gébé….

    “Sont-ce nos épiciers canadiens-français qui persécutent les immigrés Steinberg, ou si sont les Steinberg qui ruinent nos épiciers établis ici depuis 300 ans, qui les font disparaître les uns après les autres? Non seulement en bouleversant complètement les conditions du marché régulier, mais en éliminant radicalement ces petits bastions de la bourgeoisie canadienne-française? Sont-ce les fourreurs canadiens qui persécutent les marchands Juifs de fourreurs, qui en moins de trente ans et avec les capitaux de l’étranger ont accaparé le contrôle incontesté de cette industrie autrefois bien canadienne-française? Sont-ce nos petits ferronniers qui persécutent les Pascal ou si ce sont ces derniers, soutenus par les capitaux de la banque Juive de l’or, qui persécutent nos marchands canadiens-français, en vue d’éliminer cette autre section de bourgeoisie canadienne-française?”

    Asskejssache, the last vestigal remain of Pascal was run into the ground by a Hells Angels sympathiser a couple of years ago while RONA, the the rival tools company founded by Roland and Napoléon is now the 8th biggest corporation in Québec.

    The Steinberg family, one of the first to demand it’s employee’s all know French, sold part of their supermarkets to Québec owners like Bertin Nadeau, who then went union busting and before selling them back to an Ontario company for their own profit…

    The rest of the stores were bought by Metro, a coop founded by French-canadians and now the 2nd largest corporartion in Québec.

    If Québec’s Jews are out to destroy French-canadian bourgeoisie, they kind of suck at it…

    angryfrenchguy

    May 12, 2010 at 9:52 pm

  4. “The balance of what you write (it’s “Okhrana,” btw) makes very little sense to me.”(Littlerob)

    We dont have the same sources, obviously :

    “The Okhranka was particularly active following the unsuccessful Russian Revolution of 1905. After the February 1917 Revolution the organization was abolished …”(Encyclopaedia Britannica)

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/426484/Okhranka

    Your’s is Wikipaedia, right ?

    Gébé Tremblay

    May 12, 2010 at 10:00 pm

  5. “If Québec’s Jews are out to destroy French-canadian bourgeoisie, they kind of suck at it…”(AFG)

    They sure did. Thanks to the catholic church in the days of Arcand (late 30!s)

    But dont worry, they tried hard. Helped by the big money from USA. Even FOX (Twentieth Century Fox – Hollywood) who had his manoir in St-Adèle, was buying land to give to ashkenaze russian jews so they could take over the Canadiens français’ vilegiature service business for the american tourists.

    The church saved those businesses. Saved it by social cohesion and money they could collect (first caisse-populaire).

    Gébé Tremblay

    May 12, 2010 at 10:12 pm

  6. “The Steinberg family, one of the first to demand it’s employee’s all know French,…”(AFG)

    They gona demand you kiss the Queen’s ass if their business is in London and that you bow to the stars and stripes if their business is in USA.

    They dont have any loyalty but to money.

    Gébé Tremblay

    May 12, 2010 at 10:23 pm

  7. About the left vs right:

    “If we shrug our shoulders at the avoidable suffering of the weak and the pour, of those who are getting exploited and ripped off, or who simply do not have enough to sustain life at a decent level, we are not of the left. If we say that the is just the way the world is, and always will be, and there is nothing we can do about it, we are not part of the left. The left wants to do do something about this situation” (Peter Signer, “What is essential to the left”).

    @Gébé:

    My deep commitment to independence is a consequence of the fact that I side with “the damned of the Earth” (les damnés de la Terre). Few people deserve better the qualificative than the Jewish people (btw, for those who didn’t knew, Alice Parizeau was a jewish war hero, and fighted in Warshaw insurrection during WWII). They most of the time (not every time) in history also sided with the oppressed. That they decided to side with the Anglos very often here is sad, but they may change sides in a much easier fashion if we didn’t have your kind of conspirationist rambling among our ranks. Let’s say, Gébé (or should I say Gebello ?), that when we have friends like you, we don’t need any enemies.

    Tancrède

    May 13, 2010 at 2:31 am

  8. @Gébé–I had always heard the Czar’s secret police called the Okhrana, but it appears you are correct that “Okhranka” is an alternative term for them. So my apologies.

    Agreed that Jakob Fuerstenberg/Jakub Hanecki was probably Lenin’s financial contact in Europe, at least during WWI. But if you believe that Hanecki was a member in good standing of a conspiracy of Jewish bankers to bring the Bolsheviks to power, I suggest that your theory–and that’s what it is–falls apart if it turns out that Hanecki wasn’t Jewish. If he is Jewish enough for you, fine. But (von) Fuerstenberg is not a Jewish surname, and I suggest that it is very likely that he was in fact not Jewish at all, but a Polonized German.

    @Tancrede–I don’t think Alice Parizeau considered herself Jewish, although her maiden name (Poznanska) is as recognizably Jewish in a Polish context as the name Goldsztejn would be.

    littlerob

    May 13, 2010 at 5:19 am

  9. “My deep commitment to independence is a consequence of the fact that I side with “the damned of the Earth” (les damnés de la Terre).”(Tancrède)

    My deep commitment to the independence of the québécois nation is a consequence of my awareness of being part of that nation. Period.

    “Few people deserve better the qualificative than the Jewish people (btw, for those who didn’t knew, Alice Parizeau was a jewish war hero, and fighted in Warshaw insurrection during WWII).”(Tancrède)

    There is no such thing as a jewish people. Only followers of a racist supremacist ideology called judaïsm. Alice Parizeau was 13 years old in 1943, dont be ridiculous. The Warsaw ghetto uprising is also a myth.

    “They most of the time (not every time) in history also sided with the oppressed.”(Tancrède)

    I’m touched. I have no doubt Capone gave lots of money for the poor also.

    “That they decided to side with the Anglos very often here is sad,…”(Tancrède)

    They side with no one but themselves. It is a sect. The anglophones are not a race either.

    “…but they may change sides in a much easier fashion if we didn’t have your kind of conspirationist rambling among our ranks.”(Tancrède)

    I’m not into licking any supremacists’ boots.

    “Let’s say, Gébé (or should I say Gebello ?), that when we have friends like you, we don’t need any enemies.”(Tancrède)

    Keep on licking if you wish, Tancrède, it is not my idea of independence.

    Gébé Tremblay

    May 13, 2010 at 9:22 am

  10. “But (von) Fuerstenberg is not a Jewish surname, and I suggest that it is very likely that he was in fact not Jewish at all, but a Polonized German.”(Littlerob)

    Jews change their names to infiltrate the countries they wish to do their schemes in. If you dont know that yet, you have some work to do.

    His real name is Yakov Stanislavovich Ganetsky ((also spelled Hanecki), a polish jew.

    They can have as much as a dozen names to go into countries.

    No conspiracies intentions at all, of course ! :-)

    My wife is Polish, by the way. She was living there till 1980. Her father was on the German side of invaded Poland and her mother on the soviet side. They met after 1945. They told us lots. I did not believe how much “historical” crap we are being fed with, just to make the victorious allies (and jews) look good.

    You can bet I lost my “innocence”.

    Gébé Tremblay

    May 13, 2010 at 9:53 am

  11. “I don’t think Alice Parizeau considered herself Jewish, although her maiden name (Poznanska) is as recognizably Jewish in a Polish context as the name Goldsztejn would be.”

    I have actually heard Alice Parizeau point out that she was not Jewish. Though what you say about her maiden name is true. There may be something in her family history that she didn’t know about or that we don’t know about. Certainly, in modern-day Montreal she had no reason to hide her Jewish roots (if she had any). It certainly would have been a different story in central Europe in the 1930s and 1940s. And in light of this, there are probably many people around the world who are of Jewish origin and don’t even know because their parents or great-grandparents hid that fact to escape persecution. The classic case being Madeleine Albright, who learned late in her life that she was Jewish and not Catholic as her parents had led her to believe.

    Acajack

    May 13, 2010 at 10:07 am

  12. “I have actually heard Alice Parizeau point out that she was not Jewish. Though what you say about her maiden name is true.”(Acajack)

    This is racist mumbojumbo. To be jewish is to be a follower of the judaïsm sect. There is no more jewish DNA heritage than there is catholic DNA heritage. The only physical heritage is the circomcision at the 18th month.

    Littlerob, you just might be interested in this guy who was central to the financing of the bolchevicks. From CIA :

    https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/kent-csi/vol11no1/html/v11i1a09p_0001.htm

    Gébé Tremblay

    May 13, 2010 at 10:34 am

  13. Re: Alice Parizeau, in time of war (and more so in a civil insurection), a 14-years-old who can use a gun is as good as a 65-years-old (as we see in current wars over the globe). She was sent to Bergen-Belsen by the Nazis. She received the Croix de guerre.

    But for now, time out for feeding the trolls. I don’t do it when they are anglophone historical revisionists (who for instance deny the mass murders and the deportations that took place during the history of Canada, or the colonial power structure that lead us to where we are), and I don’t do it when they are francophone historical revisionists (or conspiracy theorists) either. There are better things to do, like polishing arguments for or against independence, and reflecting on the nature of a non-ethnic nationalism. Neither Canada or Quebec will be saved by discussions on whether anglos or francos (or jews now ?) are responsible for the global and widespread alien abductions conspiracy (involving, of course, the free-mason and an army of Mickey Mouse clones – how could we forgot them).

    See you later.

    Tancrède

    May 13, 2010 at 11:21 am

  14. It would be interesting one day to discuss on this blog the extraordinary similarity of the question “who is a quebecois” and the question that Israël founders asked themselves, i.e., “who is jewish”. Because here we have a neat parallel: two nation willing to become a nation-state, trying to define who belong to them. Is it religion ? Then a socialist cannot (in general) be jewish (but there were kibutz all over the place). Is it blood and origin ? But then, what to do of the fact that there are converted jews (as Marilyn), maybe for century ? But as well, jews can be converted to christianity (as were the spanishs during the inquisition). Is it just a social integration with the community in question ? So for who the nation-state is to be built ? You see the parallel (i.e., was Johnson, the “liberté ou indépendance” guy, a Quebecker ? And by opposition, Chrétien ?). The sartrian answer is not entirely satisfying (and more so in Quebec case). In fact the very opposite have also a plausibility: someone is a Quebecker if he wants to be part of this project of a country named Quebec (if not, he may be a French-Canadian, ethnically, but not a Quebecker).

    Tancrède

    May 13, 2010 at 11:53 am

  15. @Gébé–fascinating article on Harting or Gekel’man or whatever his name was. But he seems to have vanished from history some years before WWI broke out, and most of his activities described in the article during the revolution of 1905 seem to have been directed *against* the revolutionaries.

    That Polish-language Wikipedia website I linked to–have Mrs. Tremblay read it if you don’t believe me– has Hanecki’s original name as Fuerstenberg and says that he was of German descent. I guess we’ll have to disagree on this one, unless it turns out that his mother’s name was Sore Rifke Isserles or something. Yakov Stanislavovich Ganetsky is, btw, the *Russian* language version of his name–it’s on that website, too, in Cyrillic characters.

    I suggest that when it comes to name-changing, Jews are hardly unique in this world.

    The Warsaw Uprising that Alicja Poznanska fought in was the Polish (Armija Krajowa) one in 1944 (in which a few Jews fought), not the Jewish Warsaw Ghetto uprising in 1943. And it was not at all unknown for fourteen year old kids to have fought in each of them. I think you have an admirable command of QC history, but it is sometimes frustrating for me to call you on what are, frankly, elementary mistakes when it comes to the history of Central Europe. And doubly so when you dismiss works by people like Fritz Fischer without even having read them.

    Re Mrs. Tremblay’s parents’ experience during WWII: There were Jews in the Soviet-occupied part of Poland who collaborated enthusiastically with the Soviet occupiers during the 1939-41 period. So did many local Belorussians and Ukrainians. In the German-occupied part, there were Jewish partisan bands–I believe that Poles called them “marauders”–who made life unbearable for Polish peasants throughout the war with food requisitions at gunpoint. There were Polish partisan bands who did the same. War and occupation often bring out the worst in people, and Jews are just as likely to behave viciously in such circumstances as anyone else.

    littlerob

    May 13, 2010 at 5:04 pm

  16. “But for now, time out for feeding the trolls.”(Tancrède)

    Run, Tancrède, run… Hugh! Hugh! …. :-)

    Gébé Tremblay

    May 13, 2010 at 7:47 pm

  17. “But he seems to have vanished from history some years before WWI broke out,…”(Littlerob)

    Hehe. The CIA wot tell you what he was doing and where he was. I know.

    It will blow your mind when I tell you. :-)

    “…and most of his activities described in the article during the revolution of 1905 seem to have been directed *against* the revolutionaries.”(Littlerob)

    You wont make a good secret-agent, Littlerob. Of course he had to prove his loyalty. All could be spared.

    Only a handfull were needed to take control of the palace and take power.

    Gébé Tremblay

    May 13, 2010 at 7:54 pm

  18. “There were Jews in the Soviet-occupied part of Poland who collaborated enthusiastically with the Soviet occupiers during the 1939-41 period.”(Littlerob)

    Well, you are then suggesting that the jews allready knew what side they were better off collaborating with. Now this is strange, scince both sides were antisemitic.

    Beside, most of the jews on the german side had escaped on the soviet side. They knew in advance. They were warned by the network.

    Gébé Tremblay

    May 13, 2010 at 8:03 pm

  19. You are quite right, Gébé, I would have made a lousy secret agent. Although one of my high school teachers suggested that I become a spy and work for the CIA. I’m glad I didn’t.

    In this context, it may amuse you to know that the Fritz Fischer book I referred to was required reading in a college history course I took that was taught by a guy named Piotr Wandycz. Professor Wandycz (who was one of the few history teachers I have ever had whose knowledge I respected), was good friends with that well-known English-speaking Montréalais, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was at the time national security adviser to President Jimmy Carter. I was in Wandycz’s office one day (I think I was apologizing for performing poorly on one of his exams) when old Zbigniew himself phoned; Wandycz began speaking to him in Polish and motioned for me to scram. A good spy would have crouched in the hallway and listened in (I can pick up a bit of Polish), but I just went on back to my room.

    littlerob

    May 13, 2010 at 8:23 pm

  20. Yes, Piotr Stefan Wandycz, left Poland in 1939. Went to France, England, USA. Did not see one bit of world war II.

    Zbigniew Brzezinski, another one who did not see the war.

    But they tell us what happenned oner there.

    I prefer what my wife’s parents tell me. They were right there.

    Gébé Tremblay

    May 13, 2010 at 9:10 pm

  21. gébébébé,

    where can i buy one of your miraculous krystals to warn me of the presence of the network? can i make three easy payments? will i have more friends and be more successful?

    does it include the decoder and instructions for the secret handshake? please tell me that if i open my eyes and see the truth – my penis will get bigger.

    you’re an interesting fellow – but your connect-the-dots style of arcana is specious (and in kindness that is an understatement) and what you have written here is a legacy that will be attached to you in the form of a sereotype – that being: a narrow-minded individual typing from the confines of his mother’s basement.

    i am not interested in your motives – you will figure that out – or not. we all need to examine these common questions rigourously but you can forgive me for ridiculing you and a denunciation (not of the facts you purport to be true), but for your unrelenting accusations of malfeasance.

    why did you not choose an academic pursuit? it is obvious that you have devoted a great deal of time and energy. can’t you work towards a cure for cancer – or are you going to leave that up to the zhooos who will reap insane rewards?

    we live in a polite society – until the elbows come up in the corners. i think that you and i find ourselves in just such a corner. as there is no polite way of saying this – f**k off.

    i am tired beyond belief of your poisonous ramblings. i find it ironic (and i will never advocate censorship) that while tony kondaks is discouraged from posting here at agf – you m. tremblay have free rein.

    this world is full of wonders.

    johnnyonline

    May 13, 2010 at 9:20 pm

  22. About Gébé:
    –quote:
    “But for now, time out for feeding the trolls.”(Tancrède)

    Run, Tancrède, run… Hugh! Hugh! …. :-)
    –end quote

    That, my friends, is quite precisely what a troll would say.
    When I see the topic of a forum sliding toward alien abduction or the political equivalent of it, it certainly makes me run away.

    And there are so little time, and so much interesting things to do. Like going to see this movie about a Anglo-Montrealer named Lev Davidovitch Bronstein, aka Trotksy. I don’t know if it’s good, but, for some reasons it seems like a good idea right now. Here is what the realisator said: “On croit souvent que les anglos de Montréal peuvent se sentir chez eux partout au Canada, mais ce n’est pas vrai. Au référendum de 1995, j’étais alors ado, mes amis et moi regardions le love fest organisé par le ROC et on se disait What the fuck was that? On n’existe jamais à leurs yeux et là, tout d’un coup, ils s’intéressent à nous?” (source: cyberpresse.ca)

    Tancrède

    May 14, 2010 at 5:38 am

  23. @Gébé: That’s a little harsh. Wandycz was an officer in the Polish Army in exile during WWII. He may not have been in Poland at the time, but he saw the war all right.

    littlerob

    May 14, 2010 at 5:45 am

  24. re:Alice Parizeau, I’m not sure whether she was jewish or not finally. On radio-canada, all the rest is there (the insurrection, Bergen-Belsen, Croix de guerre), but for the jewish origin I only get this Journal de Montréal blog:
    http://mechantblogue.canoe.ca/2010/04/08/l_humour_des_lmaudits_anglaisr

    Perhaps he got his sources wrong. Or perhaps he was right but there aren’t many clear sources (she participated in a group called Le Cercle Juif, but catholics were invited too). Hate to let errors without corrections.

    She was still a anti-nazi war hero married to a guy who spent his whole life fighting for Quebec independence and who was vilified as a racist, but it’s not necessarily relevant to this discussion.

    Tancrède

    May 14, 2010 at 9:19 am

  25. “That’s a little harsh. Wandycz was an officer in the Polish Army in exile during WWII. He may not have been in Poland at the time, but he saw the war all right.”(Littlerob)

    He saw his country being given away to Stalin by the ones who declared this war on pretending to save his country. Now that is harsh.

    Gébé Tremblay

    May 14, 2010 at 9:38 am

  26. Dans son livre autobiographique, Une Femme, Alice Parizeau décrit en détail beaucoup de choses, mais pour ce qui est de son passage par les camps allemands de Falingbostel, Bergen-Belsen, Hanovre, Oberlangen, puis enfin Niederlangen, elle ne réserve qu’un court paragraphe dans lequel elle note les barraques sales de Bergen à son arrivée. Puis dans le paragraphe suivant elle se retrouve sur la route de Rybotycze avec son ami, sans aucune explication de sa sortie de Nieferlangen.

    Elle n’a visiblement rien trouvé de particulier à dire sur son passage au travers ces 5 camps allemands.

    Gébé Tremblay

    May 14, 2010 at 11:10 am

  27. C’est fascinant de voir deux ou plus séparatistes ici discutant des intrigues et les complots conspiratoires etc etc, entre Allemagne, Pologne, Russie, les bosheviks, et la haute direction d’allemagne, il y a cent ans, et des traits dit être juifs qui n’ont pas l’admiration de Gébé, par exemple.

    Il faut un roman complex! Vraiment.

    Aucune rélévance ici pour les relations canadiennes-québécoises, il paraît. Aucune raison pour la division d’un très bon pays que nous partageons en libérté, en paix et en prospérité relative, et en fraternité, au moins entre quelqu’uns des francophones, allophones, anglophones etc.

    C’est à dire la majorité… la majorité des gens qui prend la peine de jetter leur ballotauz scrutins. J’ajoute que malgré tout le BQ assist chacque jour à la chambre des communs en Ottawa. Une vraie partie séparatist ne ferait pas ça. Donc les bloquists participant dans le Canada, et ils grugent le pouvoir absolu de Stephen Harper.

    Il faut moderniser un peu la discussion ici. Il nous faut aussi s’enfouter des stéréotypes racials d’anglos, des juifs, des italiens, des noirs, des gens “de souche” des allos, ou les damnés de la terre qui n’habitent pas ici à Canada et à Québéc. Et ces personnes privées autour du monde ne seront pas sauvées par l’indépendance québécoise.

    Il nous faut lutter pour un meilleur Canada et un meilleur Québec au sein du Canada, qui peut mieux aider ensemble des gens d’autres pays.

    bruce

    May 14, 2010 at 12:41 pm

  28. Bruce, the new Dalai Lama.

    Let’s all run naked with flowers in our hair.

    Gébé Tremblay

    May 14, 2010 at 1:22 pm

  29. “Alice Parizeau, I’m not sure whether she was jewish or not finally.”(Tancrède)

    She was defenitely zionist. Her own writings confirm it.

    Would be very interesting to know how she could get out of soviet Poland to go study in Paris while her “resistance” friends could not.

    Not suprized at all that Jacques Parizeau ended up in jewish hospital.

    Gébé Tremblay

    May 14, 2010 at 2:08 pm

  30. @Gébé–During WWI, Jozef Pilsudski, who was Poland’s head of government from 1926-35, and who is considered by most Poles as a national hero, said something to this effect: “For any good to come of this war, Germany must first defeat Russia and then must herself be defeated by the Western Allies.” And that’s what happened then.

    I think that most Poles hoped for a similar result in WWII. It didn’t happen that way, and not too many Poles were happy to see Russian troops in their country after Germany was defeated, or to see Britain and the US acquiesce in that result. I think it is a bit of a stretch, however, or at least an oversimplification, to assert that Britain handed Poland over to Stalin. WWII was a different war than WWI; Hitler and his minions not only destroyed most of the Polish Army in 1939, they also crushed the Polish Resistance’s uprising in Warsaw in 1944 (the one Alicja Poznanska fought in) while the Soviet Army stood on the other side of the Vistula and did nothing. Hitler could have caused a lot of confusion and possibly even fighting between Poles and Russians in 1944 by ceding Poland or at least Warsaw to the Armija Krajowa, but didn’t, proving once again that Germans and Russians will gang up on Poles no matter what their professed political ideologies be.

    Check out Pilsudski’s guerrilla activities in Poland during the Revolution of 1905, btw; they took place at the same time as the Russian Social Democrats’ uprisings that Harting-Landezen-Gekel’man was trying to stop.

    @Tancrede: I’m not sure, either. There are people out there who do not consider themselves Jews, but who are of at least partly Jewish origin whether they know it or not, and who are believed to be Jews by Gébé Tremblay. :-) Alice Parizeau may have been one of those.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izrael_Pozna%C5%84ski

    littlerob

    May 14, 2010 at 4:20 pm


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