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Jack Jedwab and the Celestial Association of Canadian Nonsense

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Jack Jedwab of the Association for Canadian Studies released his latest survey on cultural relations in Canada, this week, and just like in every other study published by the association, we learn that the people of Québec are less tolerant of immigrants than English-Canadians and that they don’t like Jews (oups…  actually the Québécois are slightly MORE tolerant of immigrants than other Canadians… Even I am starting to believe the lies and prejudice!  Argh!).

The only big novelty this time around is that the results show than English-Canadians really don’t like French-Canadians all that much.

Like most other Association for Canadian Studies surveys, this one doesn’t make any sense.

Nevermind the slow-pitch worthless self-assessment questions that only tell us that people in Ontario express more politically correct sentiments than people in Québec or Alberta.  No one needed a government-financed survey to find that out.  What strikes me about Jack Jedwab polls  is that they always seem to be inspired by the Celestial Emporium of Benevolent Knowledge, a made up Chinese encyclopedia invented by Jose Luis Borges in which the animals of the world are divided into:

a. those that belong to the emperor;

b. embalmed ones;

c. those that are trained;

d. suckling pigs;

e. mermaids;

f. fabulous ones;

g. stray dogs;

h. those that are included in this classification;

i. those that tremble as if they were mad;

j.  innumerable ones;

k. those drawn with a very fine camel’s-hair brush;

l. etcetera;

m. those that have just broken
the flower vase;

n. those that at a distance resemble flies.

For his latest survey, Jack Jedwab asked Canadians if they had a favourable opinion of: French-Canadians, English-Canadians, Aboriginals, Immigrants and Jewish people.

In other words, he asked them to compare two linguistic groups, an ethnicity, a civic status and a religion …

Jews get their own sociodemographic box but Blacks, South Asians and the Chinese, for example, don’t.  Neither do Muslims, who are twice as numerous in Canada as Jews, and who are the fastest growing demographic group in the country.

Now if your want to measure tolerance in the 21st century, islamophobia is what you want to be looking at.  And it certainly would have been interesting to compare Québec and Canada on this issue considering the two communities very different approaches to issues like the hijab.

Now what about my buddy AK?  Is he a Jew, an immigrant or a French-Canadian?  How about Jon in BC, is he Jewish or English?  How about my sister’s friend Sofiane, a French-speaking immigrant from the English-speaking part of New Brunswick?

Even the concepts he tries to measure are not the same from one part of the country to the other.  Ask someone in Toronto to think of “a Jew’, and he will think of Mike in sales.   Ask someone in Québec to think of “a Jew” and he is much more likely to picture the members of an ultra-orthodox sect who raise their children like Cistercian monks or images of the Middle Eastern conflict.

It’s not that French-speakers don’t know about secular Jews.  They are just more likely to categorize Leonard Cohen and Julius Grey as English-Canadians than as Jews.  There almost no Hasidics in Ontario while Québec has the third biggest community in the world after New York and Jerusalem.  It’s a demographic reality.

As best as I can tell, a French-speaking Montrealer in 2010 divides the world into:

a. French-speakers;

b. les Anglais;

c. People from the 450;

d. Haitians;

e. People from Québec City;

f.  the French from France;

g. the Viet at the Dep;

h. Muslims.

This is not the way the world looks like to someone in Vancouver and those categories are not objective or exclusive, but they are not less real.  Just ask any Black person in Montreal who is not from Haiti how many time a day he is being asked if his family is alright.

And they certainly make as much sense as the categories cooked up by Jack Jedwab and his scholarly association.

Now any point of view is as valid as any other.  The problem is that the Association for Canadian Studies gets several hundreds of thousands of tax dollars a year to evaluate Canadian attitudes on complex issues from the very narrow perspective of an English-speaking Montrealer in 1947 and then publishes it’s results as if they were the objective evolution of Canadian thought.

That and they never include Mermaids in their polls. Nonsense, I tell you.

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Written by angryfrenchguy

January 29, 2010 at 11:38 am

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  1. explained for the layperson here, with some fascinating additional details…

    http://partners.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/050999lemba-jewish-genes.html

    edward

    February 12, 2010 at 9:54 pm

  2. Yes, Edward, that is not news.

    What is your point exactly ?

    There was proven to be certain distinctions among the Y chromosomes of kohanim, although these distinctions were found in slightly over half of the kohanim tested; implying that slightly over half of kohanim share some common male ancestry. The Cohen Model Haplotype results from this study of kohanim were used to establish that many male members of the Lemba (a sub-Saharan tribe) were descendants of kohanim, and thus substantiating their claims to be Jewish.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohen

    That some Kohen men and some Lemba men share a Haplotype prove what exactly ?

    That those few people share some small DNA caracteristics and are related somehow.

    Are you suggesting that those few people represent the original, ethnic, chosen people ?

    That would prove what I say. The vast majority are not related at all !

    Gébé Tremblay

    February 12, 2010 at 10:49 pm

  3. One source of early confusion was a widespread popular notion that only Cohens or only Jews could have the Cohen Modal Haplotype. It is now clear that this is not the case. The Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH), whilst notably frequent amongst Cohens, is also far from unusual in the general populations of haplogroups J1 and J2 with no particular link to the Cohen ancestry. These haplogroups occur widely throughout the Middle East and beyond.[10][11] Thus, while many Cohens have haplotypes close to the CMH, a greater number of such haplotypes worldwide belong to people with no likely[clarification needed] Cohen connection at all.

    The proportion of the whole male Jewish population (not just Kohens) that has Cohen ancestry has been estimated at 5%.

    Our Khazars :

    The investigation of Levites found high frequencies of multiple distinct markers, suggestive of multiple origins for the majority of non-Aaronid Levite families. One marker, however, present in more than 50% of Eastern European (Ashkenazi) Jewish Levites points to a common male ancestor or very few male ancestors within the last 2000 years for many Levites of the Ashkenazi community. This common ancestor belonged to the haplogroup R1a1 which is typical of Eastern Europeans, rather than the haplogroup J of the Cohen modal haplotype, and most likely lived at the time of the Ashkenazi settlement in Eastern Europe,[5][45][46], and thus was not really HaLevi.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Aaron

    Gébé Tremblay

    February 12, 2010 at 11:17 pm

  4. What this Y chromosomes of kohanim show is that the Kohanims are a ethnic group of jewish religion. Just like there are jews that are ethnic Russians or Lebanese and many other ethnic peoples.

    Just like Catholics are of different ethnic groups also.

    There is no such thing as a ethnic group called Jews, no more than one called Catholics or Protestants or Muslims.

    Gébé Tremblay

    February 12, 2010 at 11:36 pm

  5. What a bunch of do=nothings…in the world.

    Would be funny if you weren’t so ridiculous.

    ABP

    February 12, 2010 at 11:39 pm

  6. Question for Gébé Tremblay:

    Why are you so fascinated with the Jewish people? This appears to be a life-long study for you.

    Tony Kondaks

    February 13, 2010 at 2:02 am

  7. Why are you so fascinated with the Jewish people? This appears to be a life-long study for you.(Tony Kondaks)

    I dont recognize a jewish people. I study the people who claim it.

    My fascination is with history.

    For 30 years I have done business in publishing specializing in educational and training manuals for business and goverments (Canada USA Germany). I have produced lots of school, cegep, university manuals. Always a contractual, I built my own business after droping out of school in the 70’s.

    To do this job right, I had to read carefully all the material provided by the clients that was to be put in manual form and make sure all text, illustrations, graphs, maps, had no errors before publishing. I made sure I understoud the subjects.

    What I have observed is the poor state of Canadian history compared to the other countries and incompatibility with one another. Something was wrong. So I started to look for the reason for this by reading lots of books from library. But things became clear when the internet became available and information was easy to access.

    What I have found is that those who claim to be Jews are obsessed about other people’s history and take all means to write it for them (a good canadian example is HISTORICA by the Bronfman family) , while on the other hand they insist on writing their own and be the only judge on it.

    So I started to do reasearch on “Jews” history. What I found was the historical implications of this community in others history that they were making sure would not be present.

    So I became as fascinated about their history as they are of ours. I understand much better my own by studying theirs because of their important implication in it.

    I dont consider them like a religious community no more, and certainly not as a ethnic people.

    I dont put them all in the same bag. They are a diversified community as the catholics are and as non-religious as most of them also, as multiethnic. But just like the Catholic church is in Rome Italy right in the heart of the very catholic italians, it has also it’s powerfull mafia organisation. The italian mafia pales compared to the jewish mafia.

    It is this mafia that I am fascinated with. Just like the italian mafia, it’s members are from the whole diversity of the community.

    This you dont find in any history books. Without it, you know nothing of the real history. All you have is the “soap opera” and the “epic battles”. The novel.

    Gébé Tremblay

    February 13, 2010 at 12:58 pm

  8. Salut Gébé.

    Je sais que vous n’avez pas besoin de mon soutien, mais le voici quand-même: Je suis beaucoup d’accord avec ce que vous dites; je sais que le genre de discours comme celui-ci et vos propos viennent des années des recherches sérieuses et comme cela doit être frustrant en maudit de toujours faire face à ceux qui sont tellement attachés à l’éducation qu’ils sont reçues qu’ils diront n’importe-quoi afin de vous réfuter. En ce qui me concerne, c’était vraiment juste cette année-ci que je me disait au sérieux que je m’arrêterais à faire ‘tout ça’. Par ‘ça’ je veux dire toute la propagande qu’on nous montre 24/7 et ce qu’on a été conditionné à penser. C’est beaucoup plus frappant de découvrir que tout ‘ça’ (all the bullshit) est beaucoup plus profond qu’on aurait cru, tel que nos institutions éducatives qui nous donnent des histoires bridées à un agenda quelconque . . .ah, je ne sais pas où je vais avec ce poste, juste que je comprends un peu pourquoi il y a des gens qui sortent toutes sortes de niaiseries face à vos faits parce qu’ils défendent une croyance qu’ils chérissent, même si les faits les voient directement au visage, ils gardent les yeux grands fermés.

    Thomas Dean Nordlum

    February 13, 2010 at 5:58 pm

  9. I would like to comment on ”Will CJNT continue to anglicise Quebec immigrants”…

    I was totally…how would I say…pissed off when I tuned on CJNT, by chance, with a lot of snow (I don’t have cable)but enough to have a good idea of the programming, surprisingly good movies never seen on regular channels, but with english subtitles!!!Even a ”frenchmoviefromfrance” with english subtitles, again implying that Quebec immigrants will sooner or later join the anglo or that they should…again this anonymous and sly money drenched effort from the ROC to mingle in our culture, well of course, money has no smell?

    CJNT Montreal(?)…then why not a québécois movie with spanish, italian or chinese subtitles well I certainly wouldn’t expect that from the trendy Toronto crowd who owns this channel. Revolting

    Ehbin!

    February 13, 2010 at 7:18 pm

  10. James

    February 13, 2010 at 10:07 pm

  11. Gébé : «What I have found is that those who claim to be Jews are obsessed about other people’s history and take all means to write it for them»

    That’s a whole new spin on the “Jews control the media” thing.
    All along, they were controlling History…

    Raman

    February 14, 2010 at 5:45 pm

  12. That’s a whole new spin on the “Jews control the media” thing. All along, they were controlling History…(Raman)

    No doubt about that.

    They are not controlling the media, but they are trying. If they were controlling the media, it would be obvious. It must not be obvious.

    Again, it is not “the jews”, but the jewish mafia.

    When you control the education system, then you have a BIG influence on the media.

    Anonymous

    February 14, 2010 at 11:08 pm

  13. The “Anonymous” message on top is mine. I forgot to write my identification.

    Gébé Tremblay.

    Gébé Tremblay

    February 14, 2010 at 11:11 pm

  14. Gébé Tremblay, I’m going to repeat what I suggested to you earlier: you need to look upon those whom call themselves Jews (since you don’t seem to recognize the term) as you would Jesus.

    Then and only then will you get into the heaven I presume you believe you are destined to enter.

    Tony Kondaks

    February 14, 2010 at 11:59 pm

  15. If they control the weather too I’d like to thank them for the recent warm spell.

    anonymaus

    February 15, 2010 at 12:17 am

  16. I’m going to repeat what I suggested to you earlier: you need to look upon those whom call themselves Jews (since you don’t seem to recognize the term) as you would Jesus.(Tony Kondaks)

    “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”

    I prefer what Jesus suggested to me.

    Jews look for Caesar’s stuff.

    Gébé Tremblay

    February 15, 2010 at 1:56 am

  17. Although I guess if you decompose things far enough Gébé Tremblay and Thomas Dean Nordlum are right, however I still consider Jews to be a people, primarily because *they* consider themselves to be so.

    And you are even more of a people in my book if, as has happened to Jews and countless other human groups over time, others are going to discriminate against you based on something that makes you different (and historically, discrimination is often what has cristallized the sense of being a *people* among human groups).

    Along these same lines, I for one don’t see a big difference between English Canadians and English-speaking Americans, or between Germans and Austrians, or Romanians and Moldovans. Each of these pairings could all form a single “people” as far as I am concerned.

    But who am I as outsider to pass judgement on the existence of (English Canada), Austria or Moldova as nations or peoples? The same applies to Jews.

    Acajack

    February 15, 2010 at 10:05 am

  18. Gébé Tremblay writes:

    Jews look for Caesar’s stuff.

    Well, along the way they seem to have provided a disproportionately large amount of knowledge that has helped mankind enormously.

    Despite making up only 1/4th of 1% of the world’s population, Jews have won the following percentage of Nobel Prizes:

    Chemistry (31 prize winners, 20% of world total, 28% of US total)

    Economics (27 prize winners, 42% of world total, 56% of US total)

    Literature (13 prize winners, 12% of world total, 27% of US total)

    Peace (9 prize winners, 9% of world total, 10% of US total)4

    Physics (47 prize winners, 25% of world total, 36% of US total)

    Physiology or Medicine (53 prize winners, 27% of world total, 40% of US total)

    from: http://www.jinfo.org/

    Tony Kondaks

    February 15, 2010 at 12:54 pm

  19. What are you going to do at the Olympics? Promote French?

    noyb

    February 15, 2010 at 4:47 pm

  20. “Although I guess if you decompose things far enough Gébé Tremblay and Thomas Dean Nordlum are right,” (Acajack)

    et tu, Acajack?

    They are not right at all. I thought the paper and the NY Times explanation made that clear.

    What is the probability that a man in Yemen who calls himself one of the Kohanin, and a man in England who makes the same claim would actually share a common ancestor by chance? This at the very least confirms that in this aspect, the Jewish historical description of their origins is likely to be correct.

    All the following posthoc rationalization by Mr. Tremblay does not hold scientific water.

    He argues that the fact that non Kohanim do not share the Y-chromosome polymorphism proves that non-Kohanim are not related to the Kohanim. This makes no sense at all.

    Here’s a simple “educational pamphet”:
    You inherit 50% of your genes from your father and 50% from your mother. The same is true for your brother and sister. As a result you share 50% of your genes with your siblings and 25% of your genes with your nieces and nephews.

    However because the Y chromosome is inherited exclusively from the father your y chromosome is nearly 100% identical to your brother’s and to his son’s, but your sister’s son’s Y chromosome comes from an unrelated man (his father).

    So although you share a full 25% of your genes with him and are clearly related to him your Y chromosome will be no more similar to his than to any stranger on the street.

    So the fact that non-kohanim, who are not descended on the paternal side from the same male founder, do not have the same polymorphism means nothing at all.

    As for the word “Jew” being a novelty of the 18th century….several people posted evidence to contradict this, but in any case Jews call themselves “Yehudim” (Hebrew for Judeans) and have done so since before the days of Jesus. So the name that the English have given to Jews is irrelevant — especially given that the Jews have referred to themselves as Yehudim since before the English language as we know it existed!

    edward

    February 15, 2010 at 4:56 pm

  21. AFG, have fun in Vancouver! Keep on trucking!

    edward

    February 15, 2010 at 4:58 pm

  22. Well, along the way they seem to have provided a disproportionately large amount of knowledge that has helped mankind enormously.(Tony Kondaks)

    I dont consider winning prizes a help to mankind.

    What knowledge are you talking about ?

    Freud ? Einstein (who simply took from Poincarré), Marx ?

    They win prizes in history but it is all bogus.

    The reality is that they give themselves prizes.

    Gébé Tremblay

    February 15, 2010 at 7:33 pm

  23. Gébé,

    Did the holocaust happen, or is it a fabrication ?

    Raman

    February 15, 2010 at 10:45 pm

  24. “et tu, Acajack?
    They are not right at all. I thought the paper and the NY Times explanation made that clear.
    What is the probability that a man in Yemen who calls himself one of the Kohanin, and a man in England who makes the same claim would actually share a common ancestor by chance? This at the very least confirms that in this aspect, the Jewish historical description of their origins is likely to be correct.
    All the following posthoc rationalization by Mr. Tremblay does not hold scientific water.
    He argues that the fact that non Kohanim do not share the Y-chromosome polymorphism proves that non-Kohanim are not related to the Kohanim. This makes no sense at all.
    Here’s a simple “educational pamphet”:
    You inherit 50% of your genes from your father and 50% from your mother. The same is true for your brother and sister. As a result you share 50% of your genes with your siblings and 25% of your genes with your nieces and nephews.
    However because the Y chromosome is inherited exclusively from the father your y chromosome is nearly 100% identical to your brother’s and to his son’s, but your sister’s son’s Y chromosome comes from an unrelated man (his father).
    So although you share a full 25% of your genes with him and are clearly related to him your Y chromosome will be no more similar to his than to any stranger on the street.
    So the fact that non-kohanim, who are not descended on the paternal side from the same male founder, do not have the same polymorphism means nothing at all.
    As for the word “Jew” being a novelty of the 18th century….several people posted evidence to contradict this, but in any case Jews call themselves “Yehudim” (Hebrew for Judeans) and have done so since before the days of Jesus. So the name that the English have given to Jews is irrelevant — especially given that the Jews have referred to themselves as Yehudim since before the English language as we know it existed!”

    What exactly am I being accused of here? I have already said that I believe that the Jewish people exists principally because the Jews themselves feel that they exist.

    It matters little how many of the people today who self-identify as Jews are direct descendants of Abraham.

    With all of the mixing, migration, conversions and adoptions that have taken place over time, no human group today can truly claim to have anything resembling an unbroken “filial” link to its origins.

    But who cares? What counts is what you are today.

    Acajack

    February 16, 2010 at 9:41 am

  25. I haven’t really been following this conversation.

    But, just in case that wasn’t clear to everyone yet, Mr. Gébé Tremblay (a.k.a. Zach Gebello) is a holocaust denier.
    See here, for example:
    http://blogjacquesbrassard.blogspot.com/2010/01/remarques-sur-les-commentaires.html

    His obsession with Jews, along with his unsatisfiable need to share his opinions on blogs, have gotten him to be banned from an impressive number of sovereignist forums.

    Just fyi.

    Raman

    February 16, 2010 at 1:31 pm

  26. Sorry Acajack

    I overreacted.
    If there is one voice of reason I can always count on it is you.

    No slight intended.

    edward

    February 16, 2010 at 4:26 pm

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