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Quebec’s Efforts to become 30% English

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Many people this week were upset at the news that the Québec government was giving lifetime access to government services in English to new immigrants.

According to a report in Le Devoir, as many as 27% of the 48 000 immigrants Québec welcomed in 2009 were designated as Anglos in the State databases, even though only 3,5% of them claimed English as their mother tongue.  According to Québec laws, government services in English are a privilege of Québec’s historic Anglo community, not a right of all citizens, even though any one can decide they are Anglo any time they want.

According to the numbers published by the daily,  many as 30% of these new members of Québec’s historic anglo community don’t even know how to speak English!

In other words, the Québec government was now in the business of teaching English as our common and business language to immigrants.

And why not?

The future of Québec’s English-speaking community is, as everyone knows, in peril.

Québec’s Anglos, live in near isolation, a whole 45 minute drive from the biggest and most powerful English-speaking nation on earth where the fragile English language media is drowning in a sea of French media imperialism that leaves them without HBO.

Québec’s 607 165 English-speaking souls, 8,2% of the population, struggle to keep a community and a network of institutions alive with only 25% of Québec’s entire Health-care budget and a mere 50% of the money ear-marked to build two new University hospitals in Montréal.

In Montréal, where  as many as 20% of the population is English-speaking, they have to make do with only 45% of the povince’s higher education budget and 57% of all university professors in the city.

There comes a time, as Angela Mancini, president of the English Montreal School Board said, when Anglos have to start thinking of themselves…

It’s only a small gesture, but maybe, just maybe, by giving up 30% of it’s immigrants to the English-speaking community, Québec can help save English in North America…

Written by angryfrenchguy

December 13, 2009 at 4:51 pm

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  1. Tony et Johnny:Vous ne voulez pas regarder le probleme d’une facon autre qu’individuelle. Bien sur je peux finir par trouver un restaurant qui me répondra en francais. Bien sur un restaurant incapable de servir ses clients en francais perd de sa clientele: MAIS CA NE ME SUFFIT PAS. Qu’un jeune livreur soit paniqué parce que son client parle francais, ca serait plutot risible. Ce qui ne l’est pas c’est quand on cesse de voir des faits isolés pour regarder le grand portrait. Et le grand portrait actuel, c’est qu’une grande partie de la communauté anglophone refuse de fonctionner en francais et cherche a entrainer les immigrants dans cette voie. Et cette résistance est ACHARNÉE, elle carbure a l’indignation et a la culpabilsation de ceux qui au fond sont dans leur bon droit, voulant simplement parler leur langue, le francais, chez eux au Quebec. Est-que vous etes capable de regarder les choses GLOBALEMENT, en dehors de la réthorique des droits individuels? Juste REGARDER?

    midnightjack

    December 20, 2009 at 1:20 am

  2. Jean sur la ligne, tu trouves que Bush a fait mieux que ce que Gore aurait fait ou ne pas fait? We will never know..Democrats or Republicans, they’re all of the same confrerie, feeling good each summer at the Bohemian’s Rove, when they sacrifice some slave in their cremation of care ritual…Who knows who they serve?

    midnightjack

    December 20, 2009 at 1:31 am

  3. ..sorry, i mean bohemian’s grove..

    midnightjack

    December 20, 2009 at 1:34 am

  4. MDJ:

    What can I say? Some people simply don’t want to speak French.

    Are you going to put a gun to their heads?

    No, but you can refuse to give them your business.

    And, no, I cannot see anything other than individual rights. Indeed, I do not consider ANY collective rights as being more important than any individual rights.

    Tony Kondaks

    December 20, 2009 at 1:35 am

  5. Je suis un individualiste: je n’aime pas qu’on me dise quoi faire ou quoi penser. Je considere l’individu au centre de mes valeurs,. Mais croire que les droits collectifs sont une lubie démontre une interprétation frivole de la réalite car que la dimension collective soit gerée ou laissée a l’abandon, elle aura tout de meme une insidence sur l’individu. C’est pourquoi meme les américains considerent avoir des droits collectifs, tels qu’exprimés dans leur constitution .

    midnightjack

    December 20, 2009 at 1:41 am

  6. “je n’aime pas qu’on me dise quoi faire ou quoi penser.”

    alors – c’est quoi l’alternatif?

    hugo chavez just closed 35 radio stations because they don’t speak the language he wants them to. a hero to the collectivity.

    “MAIS CA NE ME SUFFIT PAS.”

    i like wine with pizza – shiraz si les viandes sont piquantes. it helps keep things in perspective for me.

    the only thing that gets to me is if they say it won’t take long and it takes a long time. i don’t care what language it’s in as long as it’s not late.

    and i do want a picture of the guy with a moustache and tall hat gesturing magnifico on the box.

    johnnyonline

    December 20, 2009 at 2:26 am

  7. Chavez maintenant, et son pouvoir autoritaire..Mais qu’est-ce que ca vient faire dans la discussion? La loi 101 était plus une loi incitative que coercitive. Maintenant elle n’est plus rien parce que:
    1. depuis son instauration, la cour supremme s’est fendue en quatre pour trouver les moyens les plus efficaces pour la démanteler, de facon a s’assurer que les francophones soient soumis a une autre VOLONTÉ COLLECTIVE que la leur.
    2.Au Quebec, depuis la prise du pouvoir par POWER CORPORATION en 2003, il a été décidé de ne plus l’appliquer du tout.

    midnightjack

    December 20, 2009 at 2:43 am

  8. Well, i like wine with my pizza too. Nous sommes tous des etres humains, mais je suis plus humain avec un verre de vin..

    midnightjack

    December 20, 2009 at 2:46 am

  9. à votre santé.

    johnnyonline

    December 20, 2009 at 3:28 am

  10. A la tienne!

    midnightjack

    December 20, 2009 at 3:37 am

  11. Quand le CRIMINEL Conrad Black s’ennuie au fond de sa prison américaine, il trouve la solution: il écrit un texte haineux sur le Quebec, que le National Post bien sur s’empresse de publier avant meme que l’encre soit seche. Car les canadiens hors Quebec haissent le Quebec mais ils finissent, a force de dire n’importe, par ne plus savoir vraiment pourquoi ils nous haissent. Alors un grand tribun, criminel ou non, vient batir un argumentaire pour justifier cette haine. C’est dans la National post du 18 decembre 2009.

    midnightjack

    December 20, 2009 at 3:43 am

  12. “Quand le CRIMINEL Conrad Black s’ennuie au fond”

    MDJ,

    I read the article by Black. I didn’t find any particular hatred embedded in the commentary : mostly Black’s opinion as to the state of Quebec with regards to the other English provinces.

    The message I got was that the other Provinces are not as engaged with Quebec and issues such as separation, as they once were.

    “There is no significant ill-will to Quebec in English-Canada, but the province’s ability to frighten or perplex the country, or even arouse its curiosity, is past. Quebec is a bore.”

    This statement I believe is likely the feeling in many parts of English Canada. They (ROC) don’t dislike or like..more an attitude of ambilivence. With electoral boundaries being changed as early as 2014 the influence of Quebec in Canada will diminish ( a result of population demographics).

    Black’s statement about the immigrants is quite valid.

    “Haitians and North Africans, who haven’t the remotest interest in Quebec nationalism”

    The immigrants in essence don’t undertand the history of Canada (et Quebec) and therfore don’t share the same attachment to the french culture of Quebec. After all, most of these immigrants are from countries formerly taken over and colonized by France (in many instances forcibly) . They may speak the language but the french culture and trappings as associated are not their own.

    Black is correct with his statement.

    “despite the purblind malice of the separatists, who habitually claim English Canada to be a pathetic excrescence of the anglo-Americans”

    How many times have I heard this on this very blog by those with far left separatist leanings. I really doubt that only Quebec defines the difference between Canada and the USA. Keep in mind, for instance, that universal health care was not an initiative of Quebec as are many other policies which clearly define Canada distinct from the US.

    I am not in agreement with you that this article had any particular malice or hatred directed at Quebec. More an account of what was, what happened and what is now. Black may be in jail, for white collar crimes, but he does not lack intellectual assets and/or historical perspective.

    ABP

    December 20, 2009 at 11:50 am

  13. MDJ,

    This from Vigile.net regarding Blacks articel.

    “Derrière les barreaux de l’esprit, le monde selon Black appartient à un siècle dépassé – Inutile, Conrad, d’exhiber le nationalisme ethnique, ce délire, cette divagation entretenue par les ennemis du Québec. L’horizon d’un Québec républicain méprise votre acharnement raciste, et écarte votre délire, démence, digression, égarement, élucubration, extravagance, folie, hallucination, incohérence, songerie, vision.”

    I don’t remember words such as this in Black’s editorial. Do you??

    So then, where is the hate centered?

    ABP

    December 20, 2009 at 12:36 pm

  14. Johnnyonine: “did i ever mention how glad i am that al gore did not become president of the united states?”

    Please.. I would take Al Gore over George W Bush any day of the week and twice on Sundays. You cannot possibly believe that the Bush administration was not an unmitigated disaster for the US in pretty much every possible regard.

    Furthermore, just because one scientist was caught misrepresenting the data in a manner that was consistent with the findings of 99% of the scientific community on Earth does not mean “global warming is a lie”. If you believe that FAUX news nonsense then you also must believe that the credit default swap fiasco means that capitalism and the free market are failed institutions and a lie. Don’t confuse one messenger with the entire message.

    Instead you should read the opinion of the US National Academy of Science (http://dels.nas.edu/climatechange/) on the matter. This represents the most brilliant and respected minds in the nation and world, and not just the gut feeling of a bunch of corporate lackeys working at FOX news.

    Edward

    December 20, 2009 at 2:25 pm

  15. “Furthermore, just because one scientist was caught misrepresenting the data in a manner that was consistent with the findings of 99% of the scientific community on Earth does not mean “global warming is a lie”.”

    Actually not one but many acting together. Phil Jones, CRU, Michael Mann, Penn State and the list goes one. The other point is the dataset presented by CRU was utilized by a lot of other organizations in their conclusions. Obviously, they were duped as well.

    Polars bears numbers going down when they are actually stable or increasing.

    Temperatures increasing when they are actually going down. “hide the decline” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk

    Many scientests critical of the effects of anthropogic CO2 on the alleged “global warming”.

    http://www.copenhagenclimatechallenge.org/

    Check out the signatures.

    A similar letter was sent in 2007.

    I think too many people have bought into this “man made” hysteria of climate change. Climates do change naturally as evidenced by the decline of the dinosaur. I suspect man made “global warming” will succumb to the same fate now that people are beginning to question the motives for same.

    Of course if one wants to give credibility to Robert Mugabe and H.Chavez it was a good forum in Copenhagen. Unfortunate the failure of the conference will mean less funds to swiss bank accounts. I suppose we could just shut down the media and the voice of reason as done by Chavez (shut down 35 radio stations) so there would be no dissent or further search for truths.

    Anyways, this is way off topic as so commonly happens on this blog.

    ABP

    December 20, 2009 at 4:54 pm

  16. edward,

    i will see your face slap and raise you a frying pan.

    dubya may have not been the best president in the last 50 years but al gore… ptuii his name is unspeakable is a fraud.

    since when are phil jones (cru) michael mann (penn state) and keith briffa (the one special tree from yamal) the same person. edward i have done my research and i am not happy with what has happened… but it is without doubt the single worst corruption of science since man discovered fire. and al gore has led the charge.

    johnnyonline

    December 20, 2009 at 5:03 pm

  17. ” and al gore has led the charge”

    Well he is not living that bad these days. Check out a tale of two houses.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp

    Gore is such a proud enviromentalist.

    In actual fact some in Britain wanted to ban Gore’s documentary for unscientific statements presented.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/7037671.stm

    Wonder if good old Al worries about his carbon imprint (private jets etc) . Guess its ok if your an advocate of “global warming”. Obviously, he doesn’t seem to worry about it and is not too concerned.

    ABP

    December 20, 2009 at 6:38 pm

  18. ABP, prove to me then that the death of the Murray Darling Basin here in Australia is a natural phenomenon … global warming is just part of the problem, we’re doing plenty to wipe out all life on the planet in due course.

    Hamish

    December 20, 2009 at 11:58 pm

  19. the hoax of big ideas has always walked among us.

    it took 41 years to disprove the error in piltdown man – but it finally came to pass. here we have, after only fifteen years, the knowledge that global warming caused by humans is not suppported by science – thanks to the thousands of documents set free on the intertoobz. empirical science roolz.

    steve mcintyre and ross mckittrick (two canadians) blew the top off of the michael mann global warming hockey stick 4 (yes four) years ago. the debate of choice of language in quebec is pale in comparison but springs from the same well.

    although i am tired by illusions, i am still willing to make an effort to distinguish between those that merit attention and those that do not. i am very discrete with my illusions.

    global warming caused by humans and the disappearance of the french language in quebec are two examples of bullshit that need not be perpetuated for one second any longer. oh! and the earth is not flat!

    johnnyonline

    December 21, 2009 at 12:07 am

  20. hamish,

    in science, the onus of proof rests on the shoulders of those who propose.

    where is your proof.

    johnnyonline

    December 21, 2009 at 12:11 am

  21. “global warming is just part of the problem”

    Is there in fact Global warming? On account of CO2 emissions.

    I don’t say that we have to take care up the enviroment but the buzz words of those promoting global warming must be carefully scrutinized and not defocus us from other issues which need to be addressed. Enron, was one of the companies funding global warming research and promoting cap and trade schemes. I wonder why?

    Normal climate change is going to happen and we must adapt as I doubt there is little that can be done to change the natural course of events.

    ABP

    December 21, 2009 at 12:22 am

  22. abp,

    i can make things clear when i share that al gore was advised by ken lay (master and commander of enron) on how to structure carbon trading given laws demanding emissions caps. it is hilarious from a distance but a tragedy viewed closeup.

    johnnyonline

    December 21, 2009 at 12:29 am

  23. “I don’t say that we have to take care up”

    Should be

    I don’t say that we should not take care of

    Sorry

    ABP

    ABP

    December 21, 2009 at 12:30 am

  24. i forgot to mention that ken lay advised al gore on this subject back in 1991.

    does anyone know who generated the idea that french was disappearing in quebec….

    johnnyonline

    December 21, 2009 at 12:45 am

  25. THE DAILY GREEN!

    i have not followed the link yet but…

    edward that has got to be an impartial source – i am sure.

    johnnyonline

    December 21, 2009 at 12:55 am

  26. The evidence that greenhouse gasses produce warming is compelling and there is no dispute that CO2 levels are higher than they have been in over 600 millennia. I agree that the question of whether man’s contribution to global warming is just a drop in the bucket of the natural cycle is a legitimate one, however, one way or the other cutting back on pollution is a worthwhile and inevitable goal.

    To demonize Al Gore because he has taken up a noble environmental cause is disingenuous. If you don’t like his liberal politics that is another story altogether.

    In that regard, at least he is not personally responsible for the deaths of over a hundred thousand of individuals as a result of a misguided war. It is impossible to know how history might have turned out had the democratic majority of US votes been applied in electing the President in 2000 instead of a supreme court coup d’etat, but it is pretty clear that he would not have had an agenda of cleaning up his daddy’s unfinished business in Iraq.

    Edward

    December 21, 2009 at 1:03 am

  27. The daily green data comes from factcheck.org.
    I assume you have heard of that?

    Edward

    December 21, 2009 at 1:04 am

  28. edward,

    what is the point.

    pauline marois lives in a mansion too.

    johnnyonline

    December 21, 2009 at 1:06 am

  29. Just refuting ABP’s 6:38pm snopes.org critique of Gore.
    No axe to grind here. Though I’ll come right out and admit that i believe that Gore is a decent person and Bush is a war criminal.
    So I am indeed a bit biased on this matter.

    Like reality, I have a well-known liberal bias. ;-)

    Edward

    December 21, 2009 at 1:10 am


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