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Pure Laine is an English Word

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pure laine again

Just about as long as I’ve had this blog I’ve been using Google Alerts, a service that notifies you whenever some word or words of your choice pops up anywhere on the Internet.  I’ve been using to cover the AngryFrenchBeat, monitoring what’s being said about Québec, Montréal and Beyoncé on the Web.

One of the words I’ve been keeping track of for a few months is Pure Laine.  According to wikipedia, Pure Laine is “a politically and culturally charged phrase referring to the people having original ancestry of the French-Canadians.”  Apparently, at least according to Sun Media columnist Micheal Den Tendt, “many “pure-laine” Quebecers have always believed — that they, the descendants of original French settlers, are the only true Quebecois.”

The concept of the Pure Laine (or Pur Laine, I track the two spellings) was at the center of the infamous Jan Wong controversy.  In 2006 she wrote in the Globe & Mail about the Dawson College shooter Kimveer Gill: “the perpetrator was not pure laine, the argot for a ‘pure’ francophone. Elsewhere, to talk of racial ‘purity’ is repugnant. Not in Quebec.”

Well, it seems the English Canadian media has been doing a little bit of projection, here.   In the six months or so that I’ve been tracking the use of Pure Laine on the Internet, the racial purity of the Québécois has been an EXCLUSIVELY English-Canadian preoccupation.

The term Pure Laine came up in 56 english-language web pages, that’s more than twice as often as it’s use on french-language websites.

In thirty-seven cases – that’s 70% of the time – Pure Laine is used in English to describe the Québécois of Franco-Catholic ancestry.  This seems to be a very important concept in the English-canadian worldview.  Whenever Québec, canadian politics or language is discussed, the Pure Laine come up.  Not the Québécois as a civic nation.  Not French-speakers as a linguistic group.  Pure Laine Québécois as an ethnic group.  The Québécois as a race.

Of course, the people using the the term Pure Laine deny being the ones preocupied by the ethnic purity of the Québécois.  Nearly a third of the uses of Pure Laine were by people who felt they could state with absolute authority that “Pure laine is what some francophones from Quebec like to call themselves to state that they have pure, undiluted French blood and that they can trace their lineage all the way back to the original settlers who sailed over from France in the 1600’s”

What do bloggers know, you say?  Well one of them (one of only three english-language sources who challenged the ‘fact’ of Québec’s preoccupation with ethnic purity) kindly dug up a quote from some Calgary West Reform Party MP called Stephen Harper who, back in 1995, declared in the House of Commons: “Obviously, given the ethnic and sociocultural make-up of modern Quebec society, only the pure laine Quebecois could arguably be considered a people.”

Whatever happened to Stephen Harper?

In both English and French, Pure Laine has entered the vocabulary as a synonym for ‘true’, ‘old school’ or, more appropriatly, ‘dyed-in-the-wool’.  It came up to describe “Pure Laine Montrealers“, “Pure Laine federalists“, “Pure Laine proletarians“, and even Paul McCartney’s “Pure Laine Heterosexuality“.  In French the concept of “Pure Laine Shawin”  – as in the good people of Shawinigan, the home of former Prime minister and savior of Canadian federalism Jean Chrétien – came up no less than four times…

Such use of Pure Laine accounted for one third of the 25 times the word came up in French.  It was also used 33% of the time to discuss the Québécois, and another 33% of the time to describe – get this – WOOL.

In French, the term Pure Laine was used 8 times to describe people of ‘white-french-catholic-north-americans-of-franco-french‘ ancestry.  Five of those who used the word, however, would not be considered Pure Laine themselves by that definition…

The word is used, for example, in the journal Voir in a review of a book by Senegal-born comedian and marine biologist (yep.) Boucar Diouf about, precisely, the different prejudice and misunderstandings held by the Québécois, “Pure Laine and also immigrant”.

Imam Abou Hammaad Sulaiman Dameus Al-Hayiti, a black Québécois convert to a radical strand of Islam who’s been in the news lately, uses it to defend himself in La Presse against accusations of racism and hate speech.  His mother and grand-mother, he reminded the journalist, are Pure Laine.

Kim Myung-Sook uses the term Pure Laine to describe herself in her fascinating blog about the identity crisis of the children of massive international adoption who are just now coming of age all over the western world.  “Rejected/Sold by Korea.  Bought/assimilated by the Québécois.  I am a transracial adoptee, a reject of korean society recycled into a Québécoise Pure Laine with the appearance of an asian.  Ex-Korean, false Korean, Korean assimilated by the Québécois.”

“Un show Québécois Pure Laine” is also used as a caption to a picture of hip hop crew Loco Locass (who’s members are not all, as a matter of fact, Pure Laine) and as the theme of a series of videos by comedian Guy Nantel.  Whether Nantel’s objective was the glorification of the Pure Laines’ racial superiority, I’ll let you be the judge of that…

As for examples of Pure Laine Québécois claiming Pure Laine-ness, exalting the purity of their roots and the special privilege that comes or should come with the ability to trace one’s ancestors to Samuel de Champlain and his crew, not a single one.  Pas un.  Nada.  Zéro.

That definition of Pure Laine, it seems, is a purely English-language concept…

Written by angryfrenchguy

January 11, 2009 at 5:27 pm

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  1. Bruce:

    “Hmmmm. let’s examine this more closely:”

    Sure. But first, let’s start at the beginning and examine AFG’s original statement more closely to put this whole thing in perspective:

    “Does that make English Canadians racist bigots obsessed with the purity of their ‘race’?”

    Did you notice he put quotes around the word “race” there to indicate that he isn’t using the word literally? I noticed it. Hard to see how someone wouldn’t, really. Now, do you see how I lifted his quote verbatim, using the word “race” the same way?

    So that takes care of your first point. It also lets all the hot air out of your silly, paternalistic lecture. Maybe we can salvage a few things from it.

    Here’s something:

    “So there is your accusation in reverse, like a boomerang.”

    That’s the original point AFG was making. He dodged the accusation that Quebecers are obsessed with “racial” purity (an accusation based on their recognition of certain differences between people) and redirected it at those who make that accusation or believe it. I don’t think he could have been more obvious.

    In fact, a lot of what you had to say to me—

    “Think about what you are saying here!
    What is this saying about you yourself, your perceptions, your insecurities, fears, your own self image. My God!
    … this is not right, not worthy of you, not respectful of the “other”. Where is your self esteem in all of this?
    Can you realise what this looks like?
    … you are twisting all reasonability and logic out of shape here to fit an emotional need that burns very deep. I can see. And I doubt it is healthy.
    Is this how we should first de-personalise the “other” before dismissing the rest of his last shred of humanity?”

    —was actually implied in AFG’s statement and addressed to people who see Quebecers as being obsessed with their “race” (see the quotes there again?). Come to think of it, those are fairly common themes in a lot of what he writes. He was being ironic, and I was playing off of it. And it’s blatantly obvious.

    You’re not a stupid person. You’d see all that by yourself if you weren’t so allergic to anything that challenges your perception of Canada.

    Regarding your second point:

    I think there is, in fact, a strong tendency in English-speaking Canadian society for people to see themselves as intellectually and morally superior to the rest of the world. You don’t have to talk to a Quebecer or a sovereigntist to hear that opinion. Frikin’ Jeffrey Simpson wisecracked about it in the Globe and Mail. Has he been brainwashed by separatist propaganda, too? That superiority complex manifests itself particularly when Canadians talk to or about Quebecers (and increases by a factor of ten when they get going on Americans). I made a joke about it. Lighten up.

    Man, I was actually a little mad at you for a while there, but I’m not anymore. I didn’t respond as soon as I you’re your message, though. Put it that way. Hope you’ve gotten whatever you needed to off your chest as well because, last couple of days aside, I genuinely enjoy our discussions.

    BTW:
    Thanks for drawing my attention to Johnny’s response to my post, I had missed it. Frankly, I’m flattered that he keeps trying to get into an argument with me, because I’ve read his trite little “blog rule # 33”. Think that over. Then consider that while I do argue with you, I don’t with him.

    Incidentally, “the rain in spain falls mainly on the plain and if you look really closely you’ll see that they are actually the ghostly tears of “patriotes”” isn’t pithy or brilliant. It’s corny, clunky, and hackneyed and it doesn’t even hold together as a sentence.

    gcl

    January 14, 2009 at 10:18 pm

  2. hey gcl – @1:53am you wrote:
    ***AFG:

    “Does that make English Canadians racist bigots obsessed with the purity of their ‘race’?”

    Replace “purity” with “superiority” and I think you may actually be onto something.***

    @ 2:37am i wrote:
    ***well as long as we’re rife with conjecture –

    “does that make de souche connards fascinated with the inferiority of their impurity?”

    actually gcl, the rain in spain falls mainly on the plain and if you look really closely you’ll see that they are actually the ghostly tears of “patriotes”.***

    @ 5:33pm bruce wrote
    ***Sorry johnny, … at 2:37 a.m.***

    we’re not on the same page gcl and that is probably because you’re a lazy reader. that’s your problem – not mine. did i write some drivel? yes.
    did agf scribble. yes.

    if you can recognise my drivel why can’t you recognise the nonsense that agf writes.

    i think it’s because i actually broke rule #33.
    just now. and forever.
    amen.

    johnnyonline

    January 14, 2009 at 10:48 pm

  3. AFG, I’m not sure you understand whose point you are making. I can only tell you that I have never seen the Premier of Quebec referred to as “John James Charest” in the anglo media. I haven’t done an internet search on this but I would be surprised if there are any anglo references which adopt the sneering, contemptuous tone which invariably accompanies that rendition of his name in certain nationalist circles. The people who write that way are not fringe merchants. They are just committed ethno nationalists who are sharing a sarcastic remark with their friends. My simple point is that those kind of folks know all about “pure laine” and they didn’t pick it up from reading the anglo media.

    This “pure laine”/ “de souche”…pick your expression… sort of language is nothing new. Its just one facet of Quebec nationalism. We don’t have to judge here whether its ultimately good or bad for Quebec or whatever cause. Just try and recognize that its there and enjoy the pure wackiness of its proponents. And face the fact that the anglo media didn’t create purelainism. Sure, they like to write about it on a slow day. Why not ? Its interesting stuff. And yes, there are plenty of english speaking nutters who love to harp on ethnic nationalist comments by franco quebecois. That’s another facet of the discussion. But AFG – where would your blog be without the edgy addition of ethnic cleavage and the ‘two solitudes’ theme which you play so well ?

    And speaking of orchestration, I’m very flattered by your instant Reducto ad Hitlerum. Did somebody mention nazi songs ? I confess I’ve never heard that story. Perhaps your spending too much time with The Suburban. Try the Regina Leader Post. You will find they are not much interested in pure lainism.

    Grant

    January 14, 2009 at 11:40 pm

  4. Jeez! I leave you Canadians alone for a few hours and you’re beatin’ up on one another. You deserve to be prorogued!

    I am looking for the Canadian Obama, who can win over voters from the NDP, the Liberals and the BQ. The voters are looking for someone to unify them against Harper, but he or she would have to have good left-of-center ROC credentials, be acceptable to Quebeckers, speak French fluently, but not be a separatist. Jack Layton came close but he’s a bit too goofy in my book to be a messianic figure. I think to do this right he’d have to be some kind of educated, articulate first nations personage.

    Is there anyone who fits the bill in current politics?

    I believe that the young generation in Quebec wants a sincere, honest liberal (small L) Canadian government more than it wants a Quebec nation. An inspirational figure could really unite the country.

    Edward

    January 14, 2009 at 11:45 pm

  5. edward,
    i’ll take a non-charismatic conservative with solid policy over well-intentioned “small L” liberals any day of the week. one trudeau in a lifetime will suffice.

    agreed on jack layton – did i ever tell you about the time he was living in a huge government-subsidised housing project for the poor in toronto while sitting as a councillor for that same city? maybe from his point of view he saw it as some form of dasha.

    i think chief louie from the osoyoos band probably comes pretty close to what you’re looking for though.

    johnnyonline

    January 15, 2009 at 12:34 am

  6. agf,

    here’s a sweet changeup – and i know you like music.

    Der Holle Rache, the Queen of the Night’s Vengeance Aria, from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart’s Magic Flute.

    stunning talent.

    sung by French coloratura Natalie Dessay

    subtitled in french – für diejenigen, die nicht Deutsch sprechen.

    triple w dot youtube dot com/watch?v=02yf6RHIQjQ

    johnnyonline

    January 15, 2009 at 1:05 am

  7. @GCL,

    This was all a little too ‘subtle’ for me, but whatever!

    It just came across like you wanted to put it out there that “just perhaps” anglo speakers were very prone, collectively to being biased ‘racists’ with a really nasty superiority complex, and obsessed with their pure wool purity …..

    I did not get the “tongue in cheek” bit what-so-ever, but maybe johnny did, since he didn’t have a catniption like me.

    It wasn’t the rain in Spain thing, BTW, it was the line above that where he turned the thing on its head.

    Quoiqu’il soit.

    Sorry If I offended you or hurt your feelings … I’m assuming we are still on respectful terms.

    Next post will be to Johnny cuz I adore the Queen of the Night……

    bruce

    January 15, 2009 at 3:16 am

  8. @AFG

    Thanks for translating my previous post in Plain English to the troll boasting about exploiting newcomers in real estate deals.

    @Edward:

    Don’t hold your breath for a Canadian Obama, or some sort of messianic savior of Canada. For that to happen, you would need a common ideological bond to hold this together. Democrats in the US had the hate for the Bush (mal)administration and Obama was able to articulate a powerful, albeit benign, form of red-white-and-blue patriotism with pop culture references and nods to Lincoln and FDR. This strategy would certainly not work in Quebec.

    Same thing about issues. Past federal election campaigns are a surreal experience when you live in Quebec and follow the 2 parallel campaigns. The last one was no exception with the “Culture en péril” video overshadowing most other issues here. BTW, what was the ballot issue of the last election in the ROC? Dion’s carbon tax?

    @johnny

    louie who? It took me a few minutes to google one Clarence Louie, a native chief in the BC interior. Is that the guy?

    Mr. Louie is probably pretty big in local politics, but I don’t believe he’s known by more than 1000 people here. How would he do at “Tout le monde en parle?”

    ClaudeB

    January 15, 2009 at 3:28 am

  9. Hey Johnny boy!

    (You know I’m Green.)

    You are responsible for destroying my sleep!

    Spine chilling, the Queen of the Night, and Natalie Dessay is wonderful.

    This most beloved of operas, … and this role is so daunting, that the audience is always holding its breath hoping, (hope against hope) that the lyric coloratura soprano up there isn’t going to blow it … yet again!! It is SO difficult and yet SO tantalizing!

    I witnesses it fluffed on the very first high note at the Met, and in Toronto and elsewhere. Often those up and down arpeggios are botched, and the high note — a short and awkward squeak comes out as often as note!

    I wish Dessay had held that high note a little fraction longer, but her intonation was perfect. A gorgeous performance.

    I watched a whole bunch of You -tube renditions however, and granted standard computer speakers are inadequate, but I like Lucia Popp’s version the best.

    Flawless pitch and soaring like a lark … breathtakingly beautiful. How can this much evil be so gorgeous?

    Diana Damrau is the best ‘dramatic’ “Wicked Witch of the West” Queen of the…..Nacht … evil in high and low places performance. So totally and cravenly gone over to the DARK SIDE OF THE FORCE! Technically good but her vibrato is too heavy for me.

    {The American black soprano Jessica Lynn, (Morgan state University seemed initially promising, a powerful warm and confident voice for the first 48 seconds until she got to the arpeggios… intonation way way off … too bad. I’m not sure why it got into U tube… but Lily Pons, from I think Mississippi, from way back in the 60’s in the US… now there was a coloratura … an American black superstar, a diva and a beautiful human being to boot. (My first childhood memories of idolizing a singer!)

    Callas was supposedly doing it, but every commentator said NOPE! That is Lucia Popp,… and Callas never did it ever in public. So Popp the cork!

    There was also a phenomenal boy soprano, Robin Scholtz, in lederhosen! fantastic until he got to the arpeggios, and especially the high note was an off pitch squeak. But otherwise unbelieveable musicality.

    Turning to Canada, we have two current superstar female ROC singers Measha Bruegergosseman (from the maritimes) and Isabel Bayaderakian.

    Quebec too has been turning out some great singers over time (not just Celine!). I like Isabel Boulay a lot.

    I hear a lot of other Quebec artists on radio-canada, and these Quebec chansons are so haunting and nostalgic, really in the great tradition of Edith Piaf and Jacques Brel my two European favorites.

    The Quebec Conservatory has extremely high standards, and the most important Canadian pianists include Andre LaPlante who is just phenomenal. Angela Chang and Angela Hewitt from out west and, Angèle Dubeau violin from Quebec. I am aware of a wonderful young cellist from Chicoutimi, first name of Sebastian, and I’ve heard him play once in a Master class — he’s up and coming, only about 25 years old, and prodigiously talented.

    Another Canadian treasure, Robert Gleadow from Toronto, early twenties a phenomenal bass with the Canadian opera, and…… a fabulous Sarastro in The Magic Flute, what else.

    Johnny… I don’t think Stephen Harper is into the arts, another reason why Quebec had a “virage” regarding the Tories in the recent federal vote.

    I know we have gone off topic a little, but these are all amongst the best PURE LAINE singers…. Pure Laine World Patrimony… their musical roots go all the way back to Mozart! See what I mean….

    bruce

    January 15, 2009 at 4:26 am

  10. À propos,

    check this out: Measha Brueggergosman — en français –‘Rêve Infini’ de Jules Massenet

    Breathtaking!

    Anonymous

    January 15, 2009 at 5:13 am

  11. Really!!

    bruce

    January 15, 2009 at 5:16 am

  12. Hey Bruce,

    Measha Brueggergosman, La Reine de la Nuit de la Flûte Enchantée de Mozart (Aaahhh Ah, ah, ah, ah. Ha, ha, ha, ha, haa!), Angèle Dubeau, Édith Piaf, Jacques Brel, Lucia Popp, Maria Callas, Diana Damrau…

    Finally, we can all see you’re just a typical, ordinary Joe from the ROC!

    (I mean all of this as a really nice compliment, BTW.)

    Acajack

    January 15, 2009 at 10:09 am

  13. Don’t mean to be a smartass… but I do find it normal that those terms come up more often in English media than French media, and I do agree that it might be sometimes hard for anglos in Québec to feel that the term Québécois also applies to them. Heck, I’m a “pure laine” and when I hear some (not all, some!) separatist talk, I can’t help but feel that they think that the term “Québécois” doesn’t apply to me!

    Imagine you’re an anglophone in Québec… you’ve got political formations called “Bloc Québécois” and “Parti Québécois”, and clearly, when you look at what these formations promote, you can’t help but feel that these guys are probably not your friends. Yet, they are the Parti QUÉBÉCOIS and the Bloc QUÉBÉCOIS. Sometimes, when you read what some separatist have to say, you can’t help but feel like you somehow have to be a separatist francophone to deserve the adjective “Québécois”… I’m francophone, and it makes me angry all the times.

    Vinster171

    January 15, 2009 at 4:03 pm

  14. Grant:

    That’s not Reductio ad Hitlerum because he isn’t comparing you or anything you said to Hitler or the Nazis. He’s saying that Canadian journalists latch onto non-stories and blow them out of proportion to keep the sovereigntist=racist/fascist/Nazi myth alive.

    gcl

    January 15, 2009 at 8:42 pm

  15. Edward:
    “Jeez! I leave you Canadians alone for a few hours and you’re beatin’ up on one another. You deserve to be prorogued!”

    I hate to admit it, but you’re right. We’ve been acting like stupid little girls arguing over who’s prettiest. Thanks for pointing it out.

    No more for me. I’m going to start making more of an effort to remain civil at all times.

    gcl

    January 15, 2009 at 8:56 pm

  16. Il semble qu’ily a trop de mythes dans le monde!

    I don’t have time to monitor non-stories and how they are covered by journalists anywhere, but I see in going to Vigile etc, the same thing in reverse.

    Huge significance attached to virtual non-events happening in Ottawa or Toronto or other places.

    So if one complains of “spin” then there must be “spin” in either direction.

    However I think these étiquettes about nazi/racist/fascist equivalences are between the two extremes with Montréal for the most part. ´
    In Montreal most militant francos and most militant angos “sont ceux qui veulent se name caller”

    See….the verb there “se namecaller” is REFLEXIVE BOTH WAYS!

    C’est assez plat à mon avis.

    bruce

    January 15, 2009 at 9:15 pm

  17. My personal impression is that when sovereigntists call Jean Charest “John James”, they’re calling him a sellout rather than a non-Quebecer. It’s a caving in/assimilating thing, not a race thing.

    I know it’s the name he was born with and I know he changed it to a French name and I know it doesn’t make sense to accuse him of selling out or assimilating by calling him “John James” (so no need for anyone to point it out).

    It’s name-calling. It doesn’t have to make sense. In fact, it isn’t the kind of thing people normally think through, is it?

    gcl

    January 15, 2009 at 9:42 pm

  18. gcl, thanks for your kind help on Reductio etc. But read AFG again and I’m sure you’ll see that he played an N card to divert you. AFG’s assertion that the term “pure laine” is an ‘english language concept’ had just been exposed as FALSE. Its 7 pm…and AFG is tired…hungry..bzzt…bzzt. OK…OK, well…HEY…once somebody said in THE SUBURBAN that PQ members sing NAZI songs. Take that Grant…and stuff your N… anglo media…grrrr…ggggrrrr.

    gcl, read up on the N card and cut the AFG some slack. He hates to lose a trick. But its just a game gcl !

    And since we are chatting – if you have any real examples of anglo media non-stories = souvrainiste = nazi myth please advise. Anything to spice up the music reviews would be welcome.

    Grant

    January 15, 2009 at 11:12 pm

  19. bruce,

    @4:26 you wrote

    “Johnny… I don’t think Stephen Harper is into the arts, another reason why Quebec had a “virage” regarding the Tories in the recent federal vote.”

    i’ve never met the honourable “steve-o”… but i know he’s an educated individual. anybody who has a masters in economics here – raise your right hand.

    his proposed $45-million-funding-cut-to-the-arts-gaffe was peanuts in the grand scheme, but i believe (as a partisan – me, myself and i), on principle, this could be reasonably interpreted as a desire to see talented quebec artists perform in saskatoon or nanaimo as opposed to paris or dakar – because the cuts were to specifically targeting foreign travel. we are talking about canada and as you know this very much includes quebec – for the last two and a half centuries if i’m not mistaken.

    and so we come to the crux – who cares what some hack employee writer of the mainstream media spouts about who what when where why?
    will the sun rise in the east tomorrow?
    can you not distinguish the difference between your ass and a hole in the ground?

    newspapers are dinosaurs waiting for an asteroid.
    but the burning question (in my feeble mind) remains – why is agf writing about this?

    how come he doesn’t write about ben heppner?

    Anonymous

    January 15, 2009 at 11:30 pm

  20. what i meant to say was ” why the phoque doesn’t he write…

    johnnyonline

    January 15, 2009 at 11:52 pm

  21. Well, it was actually only 37 million of arts funding on a program of about 3B…Small potatoes in the whole sense of things…

    Of course the Harper government had raised equaliation payments from about 3.6 billon to 8.2 billion to Quebec over the last couple of years…So then about 4 billion more to Quebec but cultural funding across Canada cut by 37 million…How much of this would be in Quebec…25% or a paltry 9 million dollars vs a windfall of 4 billon dollars…But this was enough to snuff him out in Quebec..over arts funding…Obviously the big picture is not part of the Quebe(cois) culture or mind set. Or is it more of the blackmail and exhtortion others have referenced on this site.

    All the separatists (ACJ with your changing mind set included) , whats holding you back…go for the next referendum. Why or what are you waiting for.

    @ Bruce,

    You can go with them as you are so sympathetic toward the cause of the french langue..to the extent that you practice your francais on a predominately english language blog…you trying to win points from the francos you so much adore. Why don’t you reach into your pocket, buy a house in Quebec and become a resident. Make sure you buy a house outside of the island, if you want to practice your francais!

    How pathetic you all spend so much time on this blog…Do something meaningful and write to your MP’s with your arguments. Might be more beneficial although I doubt it, considering the current political status of this country.

    ABP

    ABP

    January 16, 2009 at 12:07 am

  22. Grant:

    I did read up on the N card. That’s how I knew AFG’s post didn’t meet the definition. So I exposed you as someone who uses fancy-sounding terms he doesn’t really understand to lend his opinions more intellectual weight than they actually have. Seems you’re trying to divert attention away from that with passive-aggressive snarkery, claims of having disproved an argument you only distorted, and demands for evidence you’ve already chosen to dismiss offhand.

    I think we’re done chatting. Something tells me I’ll be ignoring your future posts.

    gcl

    January 16, 2009 at 12:07 am

  23. see the “phoque” video here.

    http colon forward slash forward slash ca dot youtube dot com/watch?v=UrATQeLLKX0
    or just do a search on youtube for “michel rivard arts funding”

    the arts funding total was $4 billion – the cut was $45 million.

    $4,000,000,000.00 minus $45,000,000.00

    but the funniest part was that steve-o’s conservative budget actually proposed an increased arts funding by 7%

    stranger than fiction – or in newspaper speak:
    michel rivard bites stephen harper

    disinformation my hole in the ground

    johnnyonline

    January 16, 2009 at 12:18 am

  24. gcl – i can tolerate stupidity because the stupid can’t help themselves but i will not tolerate ignorance because that is a condition that is self-inflicted.

    as a result consider the possibility of all written communication from this point on to be overtly hostile.

    no more chances buddy, you’re grounded.

    ignore that at your own risk.

    blah blah blah

    johnnyonline

    January 16, 2009 at 12:34 am

  25. abp @ 12:07

    “How pathetic you all spend so much time on this blog… Do something meaningful and write to your MP’s with your arguments”

    it’s entirely possible to do both. i do. and i sincerely wish you would move to montreal.

    quebec could always use about a couple hundred thousand more individuals with a good work ethic and their heads screwed on straight.

    johnnyonline

    January 16, 2009 at 1:24 am

  26. JOL,

    “it’s entirely possible to do both. i do. and i sincerely wish you would move to montreal.”

    Yes, I suppose thats true. Moving to Montreal, don’t think I would fit in all that well..although I really enjoy the city and visit quite regularily.

    Stay warm…

    ABP

    ABP

    January 16, 2009 at 10:26 am

  27. “How pathetic you all spend so much time on this blog… Do something meaningful and write to your MP’s with your arguments”

    Well that certainly put a damper on activity around here…ere…ere
    Echo….echo…

    Edward

    January 16, 2009 at 7:21 pm

  28. ssshhhh!

    you’ll wake the trolls

    gcl

    January 16, 2009 at 8:27 pm

  29. yeah, ssshhh!

    getting eaten for breakfast is such an unpleasant prospect.

    johnnyonline

    January 16, 2009 at 10:10 pm

  30. agf,

    instead of this virtual hectoring – why not get down to the real thing? :)

    seems so many people get to montreal on this blog – that if you proposed a date a few months in advance – lots of people could get there. we could buy each other a glass of wine or beer… and make fools of ourselves in real time.

    a thursday night at cheval blanc or cafe sarajevo or that pub on monkland? you must have an anniversary coming up, or a birthday or the first day of spring…

    johnnyonline

    January 16, 2009 at 11:03 pm


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