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In Montreal French-speakers are still second class

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Bilingual montrealIn Montreal, the second largest French-speaking city of the world, French-speakers are still second class citizens.

Le Journal de Montréal, the city’s most read newspaper, sent out a reporter to look for a job in downtown Montreal with an English only resume and a single word of French: “Bonjour”. In 14 days, the reporter got 15 jobs.

In Montreal, speaking French is apparently not a job requirement. Not even for a customer service job.

That means that in Montreal, 62% of the population is apparently not entitled to services and information in it’s own language. Considering that Montreal is Québec’s economic and commercial core, it’s 85% of Quebecers who are still treated as foreigners in the heart of their metropolis.

When she asked what to do about customers who wanted service in French the reporter was told by one of her new employers not to worry about them and that they were ‘pains in the ass’. The French term was chiâleux.

In the 1970’s, Pierre Bourgault wrote in the magazine Point de Mire about being kicked out of a downtown Montreal disco for ordering his beer in French. The owner told him she didn’t want any politics in her establishment. “In Montreal, in 1970, it’s a political act to order a beer in French.

Apparently it still is in 2008.

Of course they won’t kick you out of the store anymore. They might kick you out of an airplane, though.

Last march Jules Léger, president of the Acadian Federation of Nova Scotia, was refused on board of a Ottawa-bound flight in Halifax for demanding service in French and videotaping the carrier’s inability to provide it.

Air Canada is headquartered in Montreal and as a former crown corporation is required by law to provide services in both of Canada’s official languages. Air Canada openly ignores this obligation despite being the all time complaints champion Official Languages Commissioner office in Ottawa.

French-speakers are not only second class citizens’s in Montreal, they are also second class in their country’s capital, but that we already knew.

Written by angryfrenchguy

January 16, 2008 at 5:08 pm

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  1. What is this all about? How many reporters did you send on a mission speaking one word of English and a French only resume? Not one French employer would hire such a nitwit. This is a pretty lame line of reasoning.

    arturo

    January 16, 2008 at 9:55 pm

  2. Apparently your English is as good as the reporter’s French. The resume was in English and she only spoke English. Yet 15 employers hired her. The link to the original JdM story is in the story. I’m guessing you don’t speak French either.

    angryfrenchguy

    January 16, 2008 at 11:19 pm

  3. bonjour and good day!

    cher ami,

    try not worry about a newspaper creating a sensation to promote sales – try to look on the bright side:
    some person (albeit fictional) in montreal without french language skills just found a way to earn a living and in the process will
    a) start paying taxes to support society instead of being supported by society
    b) be exposed to french on a regular basis and have an opportunity to learn a second language
    c) serve english-speaking customers (tourists, die-hard west islanders and any other lingua franca types) who might wander in off the street.

    recently some suppliers from germany visited our business and were genuinely surprised that the law of the land insisted on business in french. their english language skills were impeccable (much like their product) and they told us that when visiting other countries in europe – the language spoken in meetings was not finnish, spanish or german – but english.

    i am not suggesting that should be the case here in quebec today, but i do look forward to the day when english is not looked upon as a threat and the great majority of people here speak both. if that day comes, as a society, we will be well ahead of the rest of north america. the language laws in quebec were only implemented recently and state interventions (even the most well-intentioned) take a very long time to come to fruition.

    as for our beloved m. bourgault (who was a first-rate provocateur and brilliant orator – may he rest in peace), i can only guess that the owner of the bar knew him and just didn’t want any trouble. 1970?

    the air canada thing – air canada sucks in so many ways – i am not surprised.

    on a personal note i want to thank you for making this effort (gar quebecois en colere) that allows many unilingual english speakers (lecteurs?) to get an unfiltered view.

    as for your last missive, you really are testing the bounds of rational dialogue. that’s a really big exaggeration and in case you are absolutely serious and not making a bad joke – you know as well as i do that canada has a charter and constitution to ensure that we don’t have second-class citizens. but please don’t tell madame marois. =:-)

    a+

    johnnyonline

    January 17, 2008 at 12:39 am

  4. Hey!

    I really don’t think French Speakers in Montréal are second class my friend. Le Journal’s tactics in creating a problem that is not there has succeed in the Franco Community. I have been reading many articles in English and French, and the general consensus is that perhaps there are places where French speaking is no readily available, but it’s natural, in any System there is nothing done a 100 percent.

    Do not think I am not a supporter of the French Language, I am, however articles like these just create tension. There are far more Anglophones who are able to speak French, unlike the French, who can only speak one language.

    Marois comment on we are accommodating to much, I would like for her to define we. When Quebec had been formed there were the English and the French, it is not just the French who live in Quebec. Speaking as well as a First Nations from a reserve in Quebec as well, I do not feel apart of her “we”.

    Allan

    January 18, 2008 at 1:51 pm

  5. Let’s talk about all the other places that refused to hire the reporter (over 80%)

    What about the other employees in the store? Were they all unilingual? Maybe the other employees were able to speak French just fine.

    This story is nothing more the sensationalism at its worst. The methodology was infantile at best.

    Do a real study, examining all of the employees in a business, not just one, and I think most people would be satisfied.

    Angry anglo in the East end of Montreal!

    Shawn Richardson

    January 18, 2008 at 3:12 pm

  6. “Le Journal de Montréal, the city’s most read newspaper, sent out a reporter to look for a job in downtown Montreal with an English only resume and a single word of French: “Bonjour”. In 14 days, the reporter got 15 jobs.

    In Montreal, speaking French is apparently not a job requirement. Not even for a customer service job.”

    First of all, I really doubt Montreal is the second largest French-speaking city in the world. Where’d you get that, Wikipedia? Please give accurate sources. What about many cities in France? What about Quebec city? I mean *maybe* by population they have more French speaking people than some other places in Quebec and France (in numbers), but other places are more FULLY french in terms of what percentage of the population is french. Montreal is bilingual, not French. Canada is bilingual too. I believe people should know both English and French in the work place. The fact that a few angry French people make up stories about how the French and English have issues with each other (this happens once in a while to create tension, and has for generations), is not true at all. They pretend there’s so much discrimination against the French, yet the only discrimination I have heard against is the English.

    Take for example the woman who got 15 jobs in English. Did you NEGLECT to mention that she got turned down for 85 of them? That means 15% of the jobs she applied for, hired her. This is not uncommon, since even here in Montreal, we have jobs for publishers of English magazines, and Readers Digest, stuff like that. How would French help for this job? Some people just don’t research and make assumptions because they WANT to create tensions. I’d take this as discrimination against the English, by making up stories to try and make us look bad and to be all “Damn those English bastards”. Some people just make up reasons to hate the English and I don’t get it. I don’t hate the French. Yes there are crazy people who discriminate who are English, and the same for French. Most people aren’t like this though.

    I’m sure if a French person did the same thing, they would get the same results, not being called back by 85 employers. So what’s the big deal? I love how they put this on a French newspaper like “OMG SHE GOT HIRED BY 15 OF THEM!”. If they put the rest of the info, people wouldn’t be as scandalized. Are they going to admit their mistake? Have they? I don’t know.

    In Montreal, people want you to be bilingual. I’m bilingual, and I’m not complaining, as I have no reason to. If people refuse to serve me in English I leave the store/place, as you should if they don’t speak French to you. Deal with it like a normal bilingual person does. If you’re not bilingual, then it’s your own problem.

    Melissa

    January 18, 2008 at 7:13 pm

  7. Melissa,

    Yes, Montreal is the second largest French-speaking city in the world. Montreal is a majority francophone city, and so is considered a francophone city. It is several times the size of Quebec and is larger than any other city in France after Paris, and is a far more important city in the global sense.

    Canada is not bilingual. In Quebec, the population is highly bilingual, with roughly 55% of the francophone population able to speak French and about 65% of the anglophone population able to speak English. Outside of Quebec, however, this is not the case. Only 14% of the population in the ROC can speak any French. Most nations have a proportion of the population that can speak a second language but that does not make them a bilingual nation. The farce that is Canadian bilingualism is something taught in high school history textbooks in order to instil the Trudeauesque vision of Canada, a vision that never has and never will existed.

    Saying she did not get 85 jobs is a little bit besides the point. Anyone who applies for 100 jobs is only going to be hired in a very few cases. We’ve all sent out 40 resumes that only gave us one or two interviews.

    The point is that she was hired when French was clearly necessary, and the comments she overheard in the store and by the owners are pretty indicative of the attitude of anglophone Montrealers towards the majority francophone population. This is nothing new, this attitude has existed for 250 years.

    We have no reason to be bilingual if we don’t want to be, and more importantly we have no reason to speak another language in our own country. Francophone Quebecers have to stop buying into the “bilingualism” attitude. We are Quebecers and we speak French. We don’t have to apologise for this or try to learn the language of our historical conquerors.

    If you speak English and can’t be served in English in Quebec, tough luck. If you visited Italy and couldn’t find someone to help you in English, would you complain? This arrogant attitude of some anglophones in Quebec needs to be put into context. You aren’t in Toronto, show some respect.

    Eric Grenier

    January 18, 2008 at 10:12 pm

  8. Apologies, I meant to say that 55% of francophone Quebecers can speak English and 65% of the anglophone community can speak French.

    Eric Grenier

    January 18, 2008 at 10:14 pm

  9. If my personal experience is in any way representative, Francophones are denied service in their language on a daily basis in Montreal. Anger at this reality has been steadily growing for a few years. Exactly one year ago La Presse had a similar story (http://www.vigile.net/La-Loi-101-impuissante).

    If you think this is just about a paper starting a controversy to get copy, your antennas on the French-speaking part of town are not getting good reception.

    The fact that most Anglos, even those who speak French, live in a cultural ghetto, don’t read French papers or watch French news on TV might be the reason they alway think these bursts of anger are coming out of nowhere.

    Thank God, now the AngryFrenchGuy is here to tell The Man what’s going down on the street!

    angryfrenchguy

    January 19, 2008 at 1:51 am

  10. It’s nice to know over the net we can all pick our arguments because no one is speaking face to face, but it seems johnnyonline had some of the greatest points on this page, article included. Yet no one was able to (or wanted to) defend against his argument, or show the con’s of his pro’s or whatever…just thought I’d point that out. Peace to everyone.

    Jason F.

    January 19, 2008 at 11:49 am

  11. Ok. Conserning Johnnyonline’s points, then:

    1.French Quebecers hold, participate and take place in meetings in French all day every day. Bill 101 https://angryfrenchguy.com/2007/10/15/bill-101-hum-101/ protects the right of French-speakers not to be forced to use English at work when it is not necessary. But if Johnnyonline’s company is forcing German business partners to speak French, that’s just silly.

    2.English is the international Lingua Franca. We know. Name one other country where citizens have to use this international language of business to buy a quart of milk a the corner store in their OWN COUNTRY!?

    angryfrenchguy

    January 19, 2008 at 12:46 pm

  12. For fuck’s sake, Melissa. I’m sorry to have to be the one to tell you this but you sound like a slightly retarded version of Barbara Kay that wouldn’t have mastered the art of sophism.

    There are so many candid admissions of ignorance, incorrect facts and misunderstood realities in your comment. If you don’t even know that Montreal is 7 times the size of Québec City I would suggest that this debate is a little bit over your head.

    angryfrenchguy

    January 19, 2008 at 4:33 pm

  13. hi again –

    good to see there is interest in a newspaper doing a good job at the no. 1 reason for publishing – making money (so it can continue to publish). controversy sells and in this case – provides grist for this mill also.

    and wow! it seems you really are angry. this condition (the state of anger) will not win you any friends or enable you to influence other people. barbara kay included.

    but insults and anger aside i return to your main point of:
    “Montreal French-speakers are still second class”

    non, non, non et non
    mais, bon……
    even rene levesque knew that the english language would have to be protected and it is. this is not about the price of airline tickets or “speaking white” – eaton’s went bankrupt and disappeared years ago. this is about a city that used to be the industrial and financial capital of canada. english was the predominant language and it didn’t become a social/political problem until the french speaking population in montreal became an overwhelming majority in the 20 years between 1940 and 1960. can anyone quote me the francophone/anglophone split in say 1939?

    it wasn’t a conspiracy or evil secret policy – the city of montreal did not stand a chance in adjusting to the wild demographic leaps at the time. blame it on world war ii or mostly because of a world-wide trend of rural populations moving to urban centres.

    montreal was slow in adjusting to the new reality and that’s why we ended up with bill 101. nothing is going to make it go any faster short of passing another gut-wrenching law that will precipitate the mass migration of another couple hundred thousand english speaking residents. personally, i think it will probably be remembered as the worst social and public relations policy sell of all time. the good news is that it’s a generational thing. 101 has done it’s job and in 35 years mostly everyone will be looking back and wondering what the big problem was all about .

    by the way – i work in a very small enterprise and we cultivate good relationships with our suppliers and customers. all we really want do is sell our products, make a living and enjoy life. and if it requires speaking another language – no problem. heaven help the poor businessman in today’s world who doesn’t understand that. i think the places that hired the unilingual help in “le journal de montreal” story understand this reality very well.

    last but not least – take a deep breath….don’t bother with a corner store that can’t or refuses to speak in the “official” language. nobody is forcing you to do anything – least of all – making a minor purchase. i shouldn’t need to remind you of the fact that you are a free citizen. maybe they’ll go out of business and you can start the happy guy blog.

    johnnyonline

    January 20, 2008 at 1:18 am

  14. My grand-father and my father were second class citizens in Canada’s biggest and most vibrant city.

    Today I am a first class citizen of Canada’s second biggest and still most vibrant city.

    I would say that is a step forward, not a step back.

    Yes, I wrote I was a first class citizen, in apparent contradiction of my post. I feel today I am a first class citizen in rights, but not yet in facts.

    I don’t know about you but I can’t get myself to feel any kind of nostalgia for that glorious Montreal of yore where Francophones could get fired for speaking French at work and where Jews were not allowed at McGill and blacks were barely tolerated in grungy working class neighborhoods with the French and Irish.

    If that injustice and discrimination was only a “growing pain” caused by the rapid migration of Francophones from the countryside to the city and immigrants from abroad one generation ago, do you care to explain the demographics of the City of Westmount in 2008?

    When people look at Atlanta, Georgia, Washington, DC or Memphis, Tennessee and see a city where the majority is black and a white minority has a disproportionate share of the money and power, they say it is a symptom of past or present discrimination that has to be addressed and corrected.

    When in Montreal people see a city where a majority of the residents are French-speaking but where 80% of the residents in wealthy neighborhoods are English-speaking, they blame the French!

    Where we do agree, JohnnyOnlineBoy, and where I will give you credit for a good is strong point, is the long term effect of Bill 101. The kids are going to French schools and because of that we can be sure that the majority of Montrealers will still be French-speaking on generation from now.

    But tell me, what good will that do if they’re still treated like second-class citizens?

    angryfrenchguy

    January 20, 2008 at 2:57 am

  15. afg,

    forgive me, but i don’t understand the second-class citizen references. are you trying to say that somebody (quelqu’un anglais peut-etre) was mean or ignorant in some actions towards your father and grandfather? i fear my debate with you will lose its value because i don’t share your “class” view of society and it will be difficult to express my ideas if we are not riposte-ing in the same context.

    in the hope that we are not that far apart:
    as i understand your position – people who speak english language only chez nous=offensive and insulting. people who speak french only chez nous=ok.

    a mon part, je crois qu’il sera mieux, comme toi, d’etre capable parler en les deux langues. full bilingue =:-)
    what can i say? i’m an optimist.

    we cannot go back and change any of the real (or perceived) injustice, but we can certainly try to make sure that it doesn’t happen again. i get the impression you want the world to be a better place too.

    and yes it was a growing pain (with more to come) – not just because of migration but also from fear, meanness and ignorance. westmount 2008? hey, i’d love to be wealthy, but all i know about that part of town is that there’s a lot of old money – and nouveau riche too. and that a significant chunk of it goes into the public coffers every year. health, education and social programs. you’re not one of those guys who want to eat the rich, are you?

    johnnyonline

    January 20, 2008 at 5:53 am

  16. Lame, J. We all had so much hope that you would be the voice of reason over here. Maybe you want to think about your answer?

    When I say my father and grand-father were second-class citizens I am thinking about the fact that they were living in a Province where the French majority were employees of an English-speaking minority that held a disproportionate amount of economic power.

    They were living in a society where they earned less than English-speakers and still had to give a significant amount of their taxes to finance the outrageously overfunded institutions, universities and hospitals of the minority.

    In funding these institutions, they were indeed asked to fund the mechanism that created and perpetuated the discrimination against them and encouraged their cultural and linguistic assimilation.

    Even though they were part of the overwhelming majority of the province and the city, my father and grand-father were expected to speak English when they were conducting business.

    They payed taxes to a federal government that was able to provide only very limited services in their language, but were nonetheless expected to go abroad and die fighting wars that did not concern them…

    Wait a minute…

    angryfrenchguy

    January 20, 2008 at 10:47 am

  17. i do have second thoughts.

    maybe i’m naive – maybe i just want to see a world that is less mean – moins penible – i was raised in an environment where respect for individuals is not an effort but a natural every day way of living. i don’t want to downplay the injustices of the past but we all need to look to the future together.

    my neighbour denis came by this afternoon and i asked him if he had any recent experiences involving store clerks who couldn’t speak french and he said yes – not one but many over the years (he specifically mentioned downtown). what are we going to do? the economics and demographics make this an unpleasant fact for many people who speak only one language. if it happened to me i would be upset and in deference to the title of your blog i would probably be angry too but i would never ever return to that business again. maybe i could start a blog and call it têtecarréefâchée ;)
    people like this are dinosaurs and do damage to their own business.

    now it’s 2008. if you or i encounter someone mean and ignorant or just plain lazy (when it comes to the french language) – it is not necessary to put the experience in broad terms that encompass entire sections of society – that’s just too simple. that is what it used to be – not that long ago, but long enough for us to be thankful that it is in the past (or at least fading away very quickly) and things are changing for the better.

    i can’t speak or act for anyone else, but i can assure you that i am doing my part. our politics are very different – but so what – we live in a democracy and things would be really dull if we all thought the same thing. in the end, i think we all want the same thing – a little respect, peace and happiness. i wish all these things for you and will continue to follow your writing.

    johnnyonline

    January 20, 2008 at 8:15 pm

  18. I guess it is easy to have only feelings of “why can’t we just get along!” when you form part of the community that is the majority and is in no danger of cultural extinction, Johnny.

    Eric Grenier

    January 20, 2008 at 8:43 pm

  19. A few details of the inquiry by Le Journal de Montréal were missed…

    Noé Murchison, the cute face who tried to get hired was NOT refused by the majority of the employers as BOTH The Montreal Gazette and La Presse wrongly stated. Here are the facts, as per the original news report:

    1. The journalist filed out 97 job applications.
    2. Her candidacy was accepted in 55 places (therefore the majority)
    3. She was hired by 22 stores and worked in 15 of them.
    4. 9 stores out of 97 have rejected her application because she did not speak French.

    THESE ARE THE INDISPUTABLE FACTS RESULTING FROM THE EXPERIMENT CONDUCTED BY LE JOURNAL DE MONTRÉAL.

    The Gazette and La Presse have MISINFORMED AND MISLEAD their readers (again), as pointed out by columnist Benoît Aubin on January 17th right here:

    http://www.canoe.com/infos/chroniques/benoitaubin/archives/2008/01/20080117-092501.html

    That La Presse works for the Liberal Party of Canada is not news. That The Montreal Gazette keeps its English-speaking readers from learning about Quebec politics and vote according to their own reason instead of according to anti-French bigotry, that is literally centuries old. But that the two papers publish opinions saying the exact same thing with the exact same arguments following from the exact same wrong premisses, that is something newsworthy I believe.

    Mathieu Gauthier-Pilote

    January 20, 2008 at 9:52 pm

  20. eric,

    you mock me? if yes, it’s nonconstructive; if no, sign me up for some therapy to treat my paranoia.

    it’s true that i have a bit of that rodney king dumb (wcwjga?) feeling but mostly this stuff (the back and forth) makes my head hurt. if i had real answers to real problems i would offer them up.

    our society has been through so many changes in such a short time, it’s hard to see where we’re going. but, between you and me it would be a shame if, as you implied, quebec’s culture became extinct. i don’t think that’s going to happen. period. maybe sometime in the future if a meteorite the size of prince edward island slams into the gatineau. but as i said before – i’m an optimist and i otherwise don’t think it will happen. do you really think our 400 year old culture is going to go the way of the buffalo?

    we all need to learn how to embrace change – not easy. and an even more difficult task is how to enjoy it while it’s happening. if you don’t like it and you don’t enjoy it – then it’s up to each and every one of us who has a problem to find a way to change it. any suggestions? because if you’ve got answers – i think you’re going to become a very rich and famous man.

    johnnyonline

    January 20, 2008 at 10:32 pm

  21. didn’t read all of the threads, but I DEFINITELY agree that French is second class in this country. It’s pretty funny, being an anglophone and all, that I can even notice this. When I’ve been to Montreal, people addressed and spoke to me in French, but maybe I was just an exception. Anyways, it’s also funny because here in Ontario, most people believe we are so righteous because we supposedly post “every other” hwy sign in French, and they don’t do that in Quebec…big whoop. I guess it’s a good thing for Bill 101 and the Supreme Court who can strike it down…O Canada, true north strong and free–the “north” part is the only true part of that sentence.

    Ryan

    January 21, 2008 at 1:43 am

  22. >>do you really think our 400 year old culture is going to go the way of the buffalo?

    Six million Franco-Americans in New-england. Gone

    1,7 million French-speaking Cajuns in Louisiana in 1970. Gone

    The 10 000 year old native North American languages of Adai, Atakapa, Beothuk, Cayuse, Chimariko, Chitmacha, Coahuilteco, Tunika, Yana, etcetera… Gone.

    Yes, I think I have a legitimate reason to be worried.

    angryfrenchguy

    January 22, 2008 at 3:44 pm

  23. French is going nowwhere. Trust me. Bilingualism is next door to a requirement in at least Ontario and Quebec. And that’s how it should be. The language tensions is due to the lack of french that is present in English schools. Every school in Canada should be half in english and half in french. Then we would be all set, and hopefully a bit less acrimonious towards eachother.

    Anonymous

    January 24, 2008 at 11:21 pm

  24. Also, I think that learning disabled children, who are often exempted from studying, say, French if they are Anglophone, should not be exempt from French, as they’ll be at a significant disadvantage down the road, that is, having to learn a second language “when they are not children and therefore not able to learn it as readily”. I’m still trying to figure out whether that belief(that it is really hard for adults to learn a new language in comparison to kids) is true.

    Anonymous

    January 24, 2008 at 11:28 pm

  25. 2nd class city for 1st class morons

    pist anglo

    January 26, 2008 at 1:25 pm

  26. Hello, I just wanted to say I grew up all over Canada and have always been treated poorly by anglophones due to my heritage. I also witnessed my mom being yelled at by ignorant anglophones because of her heavy french accent. I felt like a foreigner in my own Country, and I still do. Lets see what would happen when we have a boat load of francophones move into anglophone cities of Canada and we pull the same shit on them that they pull on us in Quebec. How would Canada be if the shoes were on the other feet?

    Just look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:N_FR.JPG if it wasn’t for the French you anglophones wouldn’t have any established cities.

    Augh, I am just frustrated the only reason why I have so much bitterness is the way I was treated while growing up “stupid frenchie” just dumb comments like that. I am in my mid twenties now and people still treat me poorly because of my heritage. These people are 1st or 3rd generations and I am 13 Generations so what the hell?! Like I said foreigner in my own country…

    Rémi

    January 27, 2008 at 1:00 am

  27. I immigrated to Montreal when I was 3 years old from Bulgaria and I went to French elementary and high school, then to Dawson College in English. For the longest time, I felt pressured to take a side in the language debate until I realized that it doesn’t concern me.
    I speak both, I can order in both languages and do not feel offended if either one is not spoken. This debate is focusing on Anglo/Francophones but you forget that a huge and increasing chunk of Montreal consists of immigrants who not only know English to be universal but also may have considerable difficulty mastering French, as I did, even as a young child, especially in written form. Instead of wasting time in unsolvable debates that have puzzled politicians for decades, go increase your birthrates or your own government will drown you in allophones who couldn’t care less.

    Allophone

    February 1, 2008 at 8:49 am

  28. What do you know, Allo…

    At least your comment has the merit of framing the debate as seen from Anglodia correctly: French Québec is no longer considered a society and culture you live in, but an ethnic group you live next to.

    This is a very heavy trend we have been monitoring for a while at the AngryMediaLabs.

    Although completely false, the portrayal of Francophones as an mere ethnic group makes it possible to correctly name the current attitude of non-Francophones towards Québec’s majority: something that can be awfully close to racism.

    It concerns you, Allo, because when a real man is faced with an injustice he can by angry or guilty. You chose your side.

    Oh yeah, don’t misquote me, Homie, Montreal is just as much your city as it is mine. But if using the French language is to hard for you I can suggest a couple of places within driving distance of Québec where you can live without having to speak a word of it: THE REST OF NORTH AMERICA.

    You should do alright with the English language education at Dawson CEGEP that Québec taxpayers financed for you.

    angryfrenchguy

    February 2, 2008 at 10:50 am

  29. For a French speaker, getting served in French in a commercial establishment in a province with a majority French-speaking population would, I assume, be considered “good service” to that French speaker.
    If a French speaker is not provided with good service at a commercial establishment, why would he continue patronizing that establishment?
    No law is needed to regulate getting good service, as described in AngryFrenchGuy’s posting above, other than the law of the free market, which requires a buyer to withhold his consumer spending from businesses that don’t provide good service. To do otherwise is to encourage both bad business practises and disrespect for the majority language.
    See: http://tinyurl.com/35kt7a

    Tony Kondaks

    February 2, 2008 at 10:59 am

  30. Angryfrenchguy,
    I wasn’t trying to be racist, (I’m a girl by the way, and I prefer not to be addressed as “homie”, whatever that means…) I was merely pointing out a demographic inevitability.
    I absolutely adore Montreal and I know that without its MANY cultural components, it would resemble any other, boring, rolled-off-the-assembly-line North American city. I actually resent the enormous immigrant influx that causes ghettoization (not really a word, but you catch my drift) instead of promoting integration. The world would be a better place if more countries were like Canada and more cities, like Montreal.
    A real man (or woman) should react when faced with an injustice and so if you want to follow that line of thought, you should probably return Quebec to the Algonquin and Iroquois your ancestors massacred with guns and diseases. But that kind of thinking never gets anyone anywhere, you should know that.
    I think you misunderstood me, I did not say I regretted learning French, I just said it was hard to learn as a 3rd language for a young child, nevermind an adult. I love French, its nuances and delicacy are beautiful and I am a better person for knowing it.
    I understand that you are angry but telling everyone to go live somewhere else (a response I have gotten MANY times) is not the solution, especially because of Quebec’s low birthrate. You need immigrants, you just need to integrate them better. I’m sorry if I offended you before, that was really not my intent.

    Allophone

    February 4, 2008 at 12:58 pm


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