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		<title>By: Brit1</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 06:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It should be quite evident that neither the English language nor English culture is the least influenced by what a frog malcontent &quot;thinks&quot; with regard to the development thereof. 

Once quebec is gone (and it will) the English will be rid of this useless pustule which has been a blight upon the face of an otherwise proud nation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be quite evident that neither the English language nor English culture is the least influenced by what a frog malcontent &#8220;thinks&#8221; with regard to the development thereof. </p>
<p>Once quebec is gone (and it will) the English will be rid of this useless pustule which has been a blight upon the face of an otherwise proud nation.</p>
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		<title>By: D.I.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D.I.D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 04:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wait, pour un momente.

You are judging an entire population based on one idiot?

Man, the narrow-mindedness of the sovereintists never ceases to astound me. 

Québec amd Canada are two totally different nations, that never seem to cooperate,so maybe we`ll both be much better off once you guys finally decide to leave....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, pour un momente.</p>
<p>You are judging an entire population based on one idiot?</p>
<p>Man, the narrow-mindedness of the sovereintists never ceases to astound me. </p>
<p>Québec amd Canada are two totally different nations, that never seem to cooperate,so maybe we`ll both be much better off once you guys finally decide to leave&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: littlerob</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Il serait interessant de savoir le pourcentage des francophones dans l&#039;Etat de la Louisiane a l&#039;epoque de l&#039;adhesion a l&#039;union americaine (1812) et a l&#039;epoque de la guerre de la secession, pour pouvoir comparer l&#039;histoire de l&#039;etat avec celle des prairies canadiennes.  Je ne sais meme pas si les chiffres existent; ici, dans les recensements, on se preocupe surtout de la race de la population, et pas la langue parlee a la maison.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Il serait interessant de savoir le pourcentage des francophones dans l&#8217;Etat de la Louisiane a l&#8217;epoque de l&#8217;adhesion a l&#8217;union americaine (1812) et a l&#8217;epoque de la guerre de la secession, pour pouvoir comparer l&#8217;histoire de l&#8217;etat avec celle des prairies canadiennes.  Je ne sais meme pas si les chiffres existent; ici, dans les recensements, on se preocupe surtout de la race de la population, et pas la langue parlee a la maison.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 23:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ça tombe bien ton poste mon littlerob car voilà un monsieur qui vient appuyer l&#039;essentiel de ton hypothèse dans le Devoir d&#039;aujourd&#039;hui. Sauf que, ce n&#039;est pas la validité des lois affirmatives sur la langue qu&#039;il met en cause, mais plutôt le supposé « berceau protecteur » de la confédération canadienne:

http://www.ledevoir.com/2009/08/07/261894.html

&lt;i&gt;Le 5 août Serge Joyal, dans son article du 4 août intitulé «Jacques Cartier, une autre réflexion», laisse entendre que le fait français au Québec aurait survécu grâce à son appartenance au Canada en comparant le Québec avec la Louisiane, où les francophones ont été assimilés.

Mais cette comparaison est fausse. La Louisiane, à l&#039;époque de sa vente aux États-Unis, en 1803, était un vaste territoire peu peuplé, contrairement au Québec. Elle était aussi victime de la migration des colonisateurs américains vers l&#039;ouest. Une comparaison plus juste pourrait être faite entre la Louisiane et les Praires canadiennes où habitaient les Métis, qui sont principalement francophones, soit les provinces du Manitoba et de la Saskatchewan actuelles. Sauf que les Métis ont été assimilés aussi. Quand le Manitoba s&#039;est joint à la Confédération en 1870, la proportion de gens ayant le français comme langue maternelle était de 40 %. Aujourd&#039;hui, elle est de seulement 4,2 % selon Statistique Canada 2006. Les francophones de la Saskatchewan forment aujourd&#039;hui 1,7 % de sa population. Sept pour cent des Louisianais parlent encore le français, ce qui rend les Louisianais francophones moins assimilés que les Manitobains et les Saskatchewannais francophones. 

Donc le Québec, ayant déjà une forte concentration de francophones, aurait résisté à l&#039;assimilation de la même manière s&#039;il s&#039;était joint aux États-Unis plutôt qu&#039;au Canada. Papineau avait raison de vouloir se joindre aux États-Unis parce qu&#039;à l&#039;époque, les États-Unis étaient plus démocratiques que le Canada. &lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ça tombe bien ton poste mon littlerob car voilà un monsieur qui vient appuyer l&#8217;essentiel de ton hypothèse dans le Devoir d&#8217;aujourd&#8217;hui. Sauf que, ce n&#8217;est pas la validité des lois affirmatives sur la langue qu&#8217;il met en cause, mais plutôt le supposé « berceau protecteur » de la confédération canadienne:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ledevoir.com/2009/08/07/261894.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ledevoir.com/2009/08/07/261894.html</a></p>
<p><i>Le 5 août Serge Joyal, dans son article du 4 août intitulé «Jacques Cartier, une autre réflexion», laisse entendre que le fait français au Québec aurait survécu grâce à son appartenance au Canada en comparant le Québec avec la Louisiane, où les francophones ont été assimilés.</p>
<p>Mais cette comparaison est fausse. La Louisiane, à l&#8217;époque de sa vente aux États-Unis, en 1803, était un vaste territoire peu peuplé, contrairement au Québec. Elle était aussi victime de la migration des colonisateurs américains vers l&#8217;ouest. Une comparaison plus juste pourrait être faite entre la Louisiane et les Praires canadiennes où habitaient les Métis, qui sont principalement francophones, soit les provinces du Manitoba et de la Saskatchewan actuelles. Sauf que les Métis ont été assimilés aussi. Quand le Manitoba s&#8217;est joint à la Confédération en 1870, la proportion de gens ayant le français comme langue maternelle était de 40 %. Aujourd&#8217;hui, elle est de seulement 4,2 % selon Statistique Canada 2006. Les francophones de la Saskatchewan forment aujourd&#8217;hui 1,7 % de sa population. Sept pour cent des Louisianais parlent encore le français, ce qui rend les Louisianais francophones moins assimilés que les Manitobains et les Saskatchewannais francophones. </p>
<p>Donc le Québec, ayant déjà une forte concentration de francophones, aurait résisté à l&#8217;assimilation de la même manière s&#8217;il s&#8217;était joint aux États-Unis plutôt qu&#8217;au Canada. Papineau avait raison de vouloir se joindre aux États-Unis parce qu&#8217;à l&#8217;époque, les États-Unis étaient plus démocratiques que le Canada. </i></p>
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		<title>By: Jean Naimard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jean Naimard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[¿¿¿ Español ???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>¿¿¿ Español ???</p>
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		<title>By: midnightjack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[midnightjack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To protect english? Against what?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To protect english? Against what?</p>
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		<title>By: ABP</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 01:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, and the fransaskois kids are less than 2% of the population in SK...the french only speakers less than 0.1%.  I guess we should open German, Ukrainian, and other schools dedicated to a specific language, where the  numbers are in fact larger than the french contingent.  

Was at a wedding last weekend in a predominatly french community.  Didn&#039;t hear a word of it...10 or 20  years ago the service would have been mostly in french. It&#039;s for the most part gone Acajack.  I am not going to prognostinate on whether it&#039;s a good thing or a bad thing.   Just the way it really is.

So why are we (or should)  spending huge somes of money on &quot;french only schools&quot; and &quot;colleges&quot; where in fact there is little or no need. To preserve a culture that for the most part no longer exists in these parts.   Well, there aren&#039;t that many in any event.  The immersion programs are a failure both here and elsewhere in the ROC.  I am sure you will disagree and thats your option.  The facts, however, speak for themselves.

As I have said before,  french in Quebec and likely english in the ROC.  Of course, in the ROC, there are no language or sign laws to protect english, are there?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and the fransaskois kids are less than 2% of the population in SK&#8230;the french only speakers less than 0.1%.  I guess we should open German, Ukrainian, and other schools dedicated to a specific language, where the  numbers are in fact larger than the french contingent.  </p>
<p>Was at a wedding last weekend in a predominatly french community.  Didn&#8217;t hear a word of it&#8230;10 or 20  years ago the service would have been mostly in french. It&#8217;s for the most part gone Acajack.  I am not going to prognostinate on whether it&#8217;s a good thing or a bad thing.   Just the way it really is.</p>
<p>So why are we (or should)  spending huge somes of money on &#8220;french only schools&#8221; and &#8220;colleges&#8221; where in fact there is little or no need. To preserve a culture that for the most part no longer exists in these parts.   Well, there aren&#8217;t that many in any event.  The immersion programs are a failure both here and elsewhere in the ROC.  I am sure you will disagree and thats your option.  The facts, however, speak for themselves.</p>
<p>As I have said before,  french in Quebec and likely english in the ROC.  Of course, in the ROC, there are no language or sign laws to protect english, are there?</p>
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		<title>By: Acajack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Acajack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But be that as it may, one of the most perverse ironies is that even as these publicly supported immersion schools were springing up like mushrooms all over the place, French Canadians were having to lobby and litigate just to get their own publicly funded schools and autonomous school boards. In Saskatchewan fransaskois kids were reduced to going to immersion schools designed for anglo kids, despite the unsuitability of an L2 curriculum for L1 students. Just another bizzaro monde à l’envers/pays des merveilles aspect to Canada’s language landscape.&quot;

As a child, your friendly neighbourhood Acajack actually went to French immersion school (and English school before that) because there were no French &quot;as a first language&quot; schools for francophones where we lived. (Though this was not in Saskatchewan.)

And yes, French immersion for anglos was set up in our province many years before French schools for francophones were opened.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But be that as it may, one of the most perverse ironies is that even as these publicly supported immersion schools were springing up like mushrooms all over the place, French Canadians were having to lobby and litigate just to get their own publicly funded schools and autonomous school boards. In Saskatchewan fransaskois kids were reduced to going to immersion schools designed for anglo kids, despite the unsuitability of an L2 curriculum for L1 students. Just another bizzaro monde à l’envers/pays des merveilles aspect to Canada’s language landscape.&#8221;</p>
<p>As a child, your friendly neighbourhood Acajack actually went to French immersion school (and English school before that) because there were no French &#8220;as a first language&#8221; schools for francophones where we lived. (Though this was not in Saskatchewan.)</p>
<p>And yes, French immersion for anglos was set up in our province many years before French schools for francophones were opened.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 06:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nick,

I think there were 2 outsized reactions of English Canadians to the OLA. Obviously OLA required a clerical-administrative infrastructure to power it  and a bilingual &quot;interface&quot; which meant jobs.  From that, the « arriérés » got pumped up and concluded they&#039;d be francicized by stealth and pretty soon no decent job wouldn&#039;t require French, and so they circled the wagons.  I think the immersion phenomenon was part of the other reaction, which was, gee, if I send Junior to immersion he&#039;ll bag a plum high-paying sinecure in the civil service.  Despite their divergence in political correctness, both reactions have in common that they were a) exaggerated and b) self-serving.  

I honestly don&#039;t know if immersion can be ranked as a &quot;mass phenomenon&quot; because I don&#039;t know the file.  It probably at least merits the ranking of &quot;middle class fad.&quot;  But be that as it may, one of the most perverse ironies is that even as these publicly supported immersion schools were springing up like mushrooms all over the place, French Canadians were having to lobby and litigate just to get their own publicly funded schools and autonomous school boards.  In Saskatchewan fransaskois kids were reduced to going to immersion schools designed for anglo kids, despite the unsuitability of an L2 curriculum for L1 students.  Just another bizzaro monde à l&#039;envers/pays des merveilles aspect to Canada&#039;s language landscape.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>I think there were 2 outsized reactions of English Canadians to the OLA. Obviously OLA required a clerical-administrative infrastructure to power it  and a bilingual &#8220;interface&#8221; which meant jobs.  From that, the « arriérés » got pumped up and concluded they&#8217;d be francicized by stealth and pretty soon no decent job wouldn&#8217;t require French, and so they circled the wagons.  I think the immersion phenomenon was part of the other reaction, which was, gee, if I send Junior to immersion he&#8217;ll bag a plum high-paying sinecure in the civil service.  Despite their divergence in political correctness, both reactions have in common that they were a) exaggerated and b) self-serving.  </p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t know if immersion can be ranked as a &#8220;mass phenomenon&#8221; because I don&#8217;t know the file.  It probably at least merits the ranking of &#8220;middle class fad.&#8221;  But be that as it may, one of the most perverse ironies is that even as these publicly supported immersion schools were springing up like mushrooms all over the place, French Canadians were having to lobby and litigate just to get their own publicly funded schools and autonomous school boards.  In Saskatchewan fransaskois kids were reduced to going to immersion schools designed for anglo kids, despite the unsuitability of an L2 curriculum for L1 students.  Just another bizzaro monde à l&#8217;envers/pays des merveilles aspect to Canada&#8217;s language landscape.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Nicholas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Nicholas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 05:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James, thank you for even more food for thought, though I misspoke (which is easy, since I have no idea what I&#039;m talking about). I was referring to the Anglophone elites‚ however few they were (and I&#039;m assuming plenty few) who bought into bilingualism, even if that&#039;s not what Trudeau was pushing, and who sent their kids to French immersion in BC. That was never a mass phenomenon, and it would not have helped allay Quebec&#039;s fears much if it did. And there is an underlying paternalism to it, like there is whenever the hegemon tries to be a fairer hegemon, but remains a hegemon.

... I still thought it was pretty cool to the extent it happened at all though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, thank you for even more food for thought, though I misspoke (which is easy, since I have no idea what I&#8217;m talking about). I was referring to the Anglophone elites‚ however few they were (and I&#8217;m assuming plenty few) who bought into bilingualism, even if that&#8217;s not what Trudeau was pushing, and who sent their kids to French immersion in BC. That was never a mass phenomenon, and it would not have helped allay Quebec&#8217;s fears much if it did. And there is an underlying paternalism to it, like there is whenever the hegemon tries to be a fairer hegemon, but remains a hegemon.</p>
<p>&#8230; I still thought it was pretty cool to the extent it happened at all though.</p>
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