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Québec, Israël and Palestine

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It is no secret, when it comes to the situation in the Middle East, sympathies in Québec are overwhelmingly on the side of the Palestinians.

Although it would be unfair to compare the two situations, there is something automatic, almost visceral, in the way people in Québec identify with the conquered people living in Occupied Territories.  The images of the uneven war between a makeshift resistance armed with rocks and old soviet rockets and one of the world’s most modern armies echoes with something very profound about the way we see ourselves.

Until Jacques Parizeau asked them to leave in the mid-80′s, the Parti québécois invited representatives of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation at all its assemblies and members of the Front de Libération du Québec trained with the PLO in Jordan in the 1970s.  To this day, members of Québec’s sovereignty movement like Gilles Duceppe, Amir Khadir and Pierre Falardeau are staples of any demonstration against israeli aggressions.

I used to feel the same way.  Not anymore.

As much as I am horrified by much of Israel’s way of dealing with the Palestinians and as much as I am disgusted by the blatant racism and islamophobia of Israel’s apologists in much of the Canadian media like the National Post and Maclean’s, I have come to understand Israel’s position much better recently, and I did it by – if you will – putting Québec in Israel’s shoes.

Take a step back with me.

After a long and emotional campaign during which all of the past injustices suffered by the French-Canadians, from the deportation of the Acadians to the economic discrimination of the 20th century, have been dredged up, Québec has just become an independent country.  At long last a free, independent and secure homeland for French-speakers in America.

The vote and it’s consequences causes fear and panic in English-speaking parts of Montreal.  Many leave their homes and move in with family in the rest of Canada, at least temporarily.  Quickly, resistance is organized in the West Island and the Pontiac.  Heavily financed by Canadian nationalist and patriots in Ontario and Alberta unable to accept any form of independence for Québec, the Canadian Liberation Organisation makes plans for the complete and final reconquest of Québec.

After countless deaths and destruction caused by Canadian terrorists operating out of bases in DDO and Shawville, the Québec government is forced to impose an always tighter control on Anglo areas, including countless check points, curfews and even walls.  Further complicating things, ultra-nationalist Québécois factions are building settlements in Pointe-Claire and the Ottawa Valley in the name of a divine right of the Québécois to occupy the whole territory of Québec.  At the same time, hundreds of thousands of Anglos who left Québec in the days following the referendum are now demanding the right to return and the restitution of their property.

Sympathies in the vast CNN watching North American public are overwhelmingly on the side of Québec Anglos whom they naturally identify with as they are of the same culture and speak the same language.  Anglo leaders know this and use it to their advantage as a vast campaign of Québec-bashing is orchestrated and dutifully relayed by the American and Canadian media.

Anglo Resistance leaders also spend much time on American television explaining how they are just a peaceful people trying to establish a peaceful homeland for Anglo-Quebecers, conveniently overlooking the fact that just yesterday they vowed to destroy the State of Québec and drive every last French-speaker in the St.Lawrence River.

And so it drags on, for years and decades.  Québec, with scarcely a friend (except for France, which doesn’t exactly help in North America) continues to protect its security and defend its citizens in the face of worldwide criticism.  Meanwhile, Anglos in the West Island and the Ottawa Valley suffer indignities that are simultaneously the cause and consequence of their support for always more radical leaders.

Of course, all of this is political fiction and I certainly don’t believe there is any reason to think things could ever breakdown so badly in Québec.  And I certainly don’t want to trivialize the pain and suffering of the people of the Middle East.

But I also think the people of Québec, and especially my friends in the sovereignty movement, should be careful before they throw their first stone at the State of Israel.

Peace.

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Written by angryfrenchguy

December 30, 2008 at 6:08 pm

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  1. As one who has voluntarily migrated from the US to Québec, I must agree with Antonio. People like me who come to Québec for a specific reason can do extremely well here, but I believe that on average anyone willing to work hard at just about anything will fare better (as measured in measurables like job opportunity and wealth rather than abstracts like happiness) migrating to the US than to Canada or Quebec (including a bilingual Quebecker).

    Why? A more dynamic economy (usually at least) where what you know is more valuable than who you know. Ask any of the thousands of foreign-trained physicians in Quebec who have been prevented from practicing medicine here if they regret not going to the US instead….

    As for immeasurables, there is definitely something to be said for the warm familiarity of your own community and culture.

    This is the reason local culture demands preserving. And, to get back on topic, there does appear to exist some biologically programmed tribalism in human nature that makes us irrationally willing to fight for what is “ours” (not really ours but perceived as ours because it belongs to our group).

    Edward

    January 4, 2009 at 10:44 am

  2. Here’s wikipedia’s definition of fascism:
    “Fascism is an authoritarian nationalist ideology focused on solving economic, political, and social problems that its supporters see as causing national decline or decadence. Fascist governments typically seek to prepare a nation for armed conflict with other nations, to defend itself or to expand its state to allow for the growth of a nation.”

    Agreed that loi 101 is not about expansion, but it is about reversing decline through punitive measures. In the end the state imposing excessive financial punishment is not really any different from sending troops to tear down signs. It may look more like free choice but it still stinks of tyranny.

    Of course the “fascist” label is so shocking in Quebec precisely because this is such a democratic, peace-loving, and progressive society. But the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

    As a foreigner, I look around and see what Québec has preserved and I would say loi 101 was a very wise thing indeed. This is what Québec has taught this American: that individual rights and freedoms are not the highest virtues of a free society. The collective has rights too, and true democracy demands these rights be protected as well. A hard pill to swallow for a card-carrying member of the ACLU.

    Edward

    January 4, 2009 at 11:13 am

  3. Antonio,

    A 400 year old Québécois … like the Danish cartoon of a martyr going to paradise to be received by a 72 year old virgin!

    Mind you 400 year old Québécois are rare these days!

    Ne t’inquiet pas! You were clearly understood without the clarification!

    Kriss,
    Then it is all to the good that francos are coming INTO Montréal for jobs, education and similar reasons. Getting English exposure there is just a spin-off. If these new young francos promote French in daily discourse that can help re-reverse the perceived decline.

    Acajack,

    Catalan is pretty close to Castellan, much closer than French to English, although English has at least 50% of words acquired through French, and usually one can think of some different English term that actually reflects a French origin from the same root.

    This search adds to the pleasure of acquiring French, although teachers seldom point out the value of searching for anglo words that exhibit a root common to a seemingly “new” French word.

    Ok, to those who feel I slurred agin’ the quality of US life — I own up to my biases — I do see US society as an oligarchy of elites rather than a true and sane democracy. Obama managed a spectacular end run around the ‘old boys’ network of control — but the system hasn’t changed, structurally, at this point.

    Manhattan is a dynamic and fun place, if you’re young or even if you’re older and have enough money and if you’re not poor black or hispanic.

    Edward,

    Kudos to you! A US citizen who came to Québec and saw all the good there, including the wisdom of the oft maligned Loi 101, and the rights of the collectivity in counterpoint with those of the individual.

    Do you have any French or Québec roots from way back?

    Returning to your ex-pat society, what do you think about the wall streeters who took multi millions in bonuses, options, and perks annually, wrecked the economy in cavalier fashion, then are forcing the common man tax payer to pay the cost for decades to come?

    You are ACLU, but do you really believe anyone is worth 50 million dollars a year?

    In Canada, our sense of the needs of the ‘collectivity’ led to universal health care, and being ‘liberal’ here is a tag to carry with pride, not a epithet of media derision.

    I won’t even go near the combined ‘accomplishments’ of US foreign policy and interference around the world since around 1898! Practically the only thing that worked in a beneficial way was the Marshall Plan. There I did go near the subject.

    I don’t mean to offend your sense of belonging to our southern neighbour, but with my Canadian perspective, you can see why I personally might not enjoy living in the US for any great length.

    Antonio,

    Along these same lines, your ex-pat relatives and friends are fine with life in the US, but maybe there are some anglo Montréalers who share my Canadian type views, and after 250 years in Québec simply have no wish to leave. They will therefore need to comply with any future linguistic requirements, it is true, and presumably at some level they will adapt — at least through their kids.

    And Acajack,

    I agree with you that any anglo who leaves Québec for whatever reason, it IS their loss, not really Québec’s.

    So….. parlez en français avec ceux qui sont anglos,

    …and bring on those t-shirts! Ils s’adapteront tant mieux qu’on n’ose croire si l’on exige ça.

    bruce

    January 4, 2009 at 12:50 pm

  4. I meant the anglos will adapt, .. not the t-shirts!

    Littlerob, thanks for clarifying my math question. I always found that difficult in Euskera, the language of the Basques!

    Merci!

    bruce

    January 4, 2009 at 12:57 pm

  5. Edward: “that individual rights and freedoms are not the highest virtues of a free society. The collective has rights too, and true democracy demands these rights be protected as well. A hard pill to swallow for a card-carrying member of the ACLU.”

    I agree, but I do not think the USA is devoid of that value, despite Affirmative Action. This is why guns are regulated and certain drugs are illegal. However, I do think Canada and Europe do have a better handle on basic human necessities than the USA. Socialism is more about what’s good for everybody, whereas capitalism is about competition. There are costs and benefits to both.

    Québec is not out of the woods with preserving French, but Loi 101 is a good start. I don’t know what it’ll take to get the void of French filled in Montréal, because the last thing they need is for it to have a black hole effect and literally create a vacuum for English to spread at the expense of French.

    angryenglishgirl

    January 4, 2009 at 1:14 pm

  6. bruce: “Returning to your ex-pat society, what do you think about the wall streeters who took multi millions in bonuses, options, and perks annually, wrecked the economy in cavalier fashion, then are forcing the common man tax payer to pay the cost for decades to come?”

    Do you remember the Québec referendum of 1995? 49.42% of voters said OUI. Some others didn’t because they did not understand the question as it was posed, while some others, MANY in Montréal, didn’t because they still wanted to be Canadians.

    OK, well let’s go to the United States for a minute, 2000. The majority of voters said GORE. The Electoral College said BUSH. Next election, Bush wins by a narrow margin since they are in Iraq and some are too scared to change presidents when there’s a war.

    What does one have to do with the other? Well, I’m just pointing out that what the people want doesn’t always happen, even in a democracy. During Vietnam, there were protests nationwide in the USA. Kids in high schools had sit-ins. Some Americans ran north to Canada, including Bill Clinton, to avoid being drafted.

    What do Americans think of the CEO’s who, despite the government’s admonishments to use the bailout money to stay in business and keep jobs open for Americans, are having layoffs and taking millions in bonuses? I imagine they are pissed off. This is probably why when there finally was an opportunity to oust the Republicans and get the Democrats in there who more represent the people than big business, voters turned out in record numbers and Obama won by a landslide. I mean, besides that Palin’s an idiot and McCain is crotchety and his best defense for everything seems to be “I don’t get along with anyone, and I’ve been doing it for the past 25 years!” =)

    angryenglishgirl

    January 4, 2009 at 1:40 pm

  7. AngryFrenchGuy,

    Je viens de lire la une dans l’Étoile dimanche de Toronto:

    “Israel invades Gaza”

    Are you prescient or something?

    Did you have insider information about the near future when you chose your blog article?

    bruce

    January 4, 2009 at 3:00 pm

  8. from nro –
    Sunday, January 04, 2009

    Annihilation of Terrorists; No One Protested (No Jews involved) [Tom Gross]

    Prof. Steven Plaut of Haifa University in Israel emails me the following:

    The jets bombed the bejeebers out of them. The ground forces invaded. They at long last suppressed the terrorists, who had conducted a long campaign of suicide bombing and planting bombs, and put an end to any notion that the terrorists and their sponsors would be granted their own state.

    Many civilians were killed and wounded, yet not a single protest was made against the invasion anywhere. I am of course referring to the conquest by the army of Sri Lanka over the past few days of the last hold-out city of the Tamil independence rebels.

    Kilinochchi was the last town held by the Tamil “Tiger” Rebels, considered to be a terrorist group by the United States. With it fell the last Tamil hope of setting up an independent state or even of getting autonomy inside Sri Lanka. The Tamils have their own state inside India but were not satisfied with that manifestation of “self-determination.” Kilinochchi, 579 kilometers north of Sri Lanka’s capital Colombo, was until recent months the center of political power for the rebels.

    Meanwhile not a single Solidarity-with-the-Tamil-Tigers protest has been organized on a single Western campus or in a single downtown square. Mobs and “academics” have not taken to the streets to demand an end to the war of aggression against the Tamils. Leftist web sites have not proclaimed every injury of a Tamil civilian to be a Nazi-like war crime and an act of genocide.

    Eurocrats have not pontificated about how the Sri Lankan response to the terror was out of proportion. The International Solidarity Movement has not sent in protesters from the West to try to defend the terrorists. Communists and fellow travelers have not organized flotillas of boats carrying aid to the terrorists. Israeli politicians have not lectured the Sinhalese of Sri Lanka about how the whole problem is that they are insensitive to the needs of the “Other.”

    None have proposed dividing Colombo and handing over half to the Tamils. Virtually no one knows that 65,000 civilians have died in the fighting and the media have no interest in covering the story.

    johnnyonline

    January 4, 2009 at 3:32 pm

  9. AngryFrench Guy,

    (Georges)

    Je viens de lire “Pure Laine Black Sheep” de May 26, 2008!

    Avec tous les commentaires. Je reconnais là, Acajack, Dave, Littlerob, ABP, et un certain hoo-boy etc.

    Bravo AFG ! Coming clean about your “Pure Laine” status!

    Thing is, as Matthieu pointed out there, from about 22,000 original franco immigrants from different linguistically and culturally diverse parts of France, plus other european soldiers swelling up to 36,000 immigrants and then their kids adding up to about 60000 persons by 1760, there was the nucleus of French language in North America. And it survived! No shit!

    That is a wonderful reality.

    As far as pure laine goes it was metissage all the way.

    Il semble que les “Tremblay” aient gagné le concours!

    So the real thing about Québec is to solidify French as the language of everyday. That is what every francophone “de so-called souche” ou autrement désire.

    Bon! Je suis tout d’accord. Il peut arriver au sein du Canada. Le gouvernement actuel du Québec peut faire les initiatives nécessaires. Question un peu délicate je suis certain, mais pas impossible.

    Mais il y a des questions sociologiques. Comment intégrer mieux les anglos de Montréal? Des lois par eux-mêmes n’y feront pas un grand réussite. On doit les s’approcher un à un.

    Some are assholes. Oui, mais le problème n’est vraiment pas la langue anglaise de ROC, c’est la hégémonie mondiale des E.E.-U.U. Hollywood….

    There is always that popular tongue in cheek song “Blame Canada” but honestly wasn’t that an American spoof?

    The children of Montréal anglos will speak French on the street when they get to mingle thoroughly with francophone children, not because of a law or an independent state.

    My daughter went to a francophone summer camp from age 7 until 16, for a month each year, plus of course she was in French education in Toronto. The last time I picked her up from Camp she explained her summer to me in French for a solid half=hour, realising I had at least some auditory skill en français by that time.

    That is what is needed, intermingling programs for anglo children in Montréal. If the anglo children will take to French, then the allos will follow suite.

    French cannot extinguish in any case, as there is France itself, and a francophonie of over 200 million, but I agree everything “notwithstanding” should be done to celebrate the French language in Montréal.

    French is one of the prestige languages on the planet including Mandarin, English, Spanish, Arabic,
    French, Hindu, Japanese, Russian.

    German, Italian, Portugese, Dutch, Polish, Czech, Hungarian, Nordic tongues etc will all survive in their respective regions, but are only going to chosen as a second language by a limited number of allos.

    Others are not so fortunate and may diminish increasingly in the global homogenisation process.

    Getting back to Québec, only if groups are “interculturated” pro-actively (i.e. the daily prolonged contact from early childhood) are you going to see your anglos at ease in French.

    Multiculturism is critized as Canada’s policy that some commentators have likened to a type of ‘apartheid”, and being different from “interculturalism” in Québec.

    This is just semantics. In ROC the multicultural groups all assimilate linguistically and become well integrated and “interculturated” for sure in the 2nd generation. They go to english schools and colleges.

    In Québec you have to “interculturate” a bit better, because West Island is a sort of apartheid situation.

    Probably you need to link various priviledges to language basic proficiency — as has been suggested, drivers license for one. Anglo schools should be required to provide at least 55% French content, and no graduation priviledge without basic competency demonstrated in French. Plus the daycamps, weekend camps and summercamps, plus the t-shirts thing, plus every franco “taking on” at least one (willing) anglo as her or his personal project\cross to bear, whatever you will.

    Without close personal friends, one does not have an overwhelming incentive to make a second language one’s own.

    Up close and personal — beyond all the legislation and sovereignty in the world, it is the only truly effective way.

    The answers are not easy or quickly realised.

    IMHO

    Bonne chance pour une grande réussite éventuelle!

    bruce

    January 4, 2009 at 4:31 pm

  10. Bruce–part of the problem the Basques have in keeping their language alive is that it is not widely studied outside the PACV and that it has a reputation for being extremely difficult for nonspeakers to learn.

    French is of course widely studied all over the place, including the English speaking areas. A good many non-Francophone newcomers to Québec arrive with some knowledge of French, and many local Anglos–though by no means all, as Acajack points out–can at least function in French. All of this, I suggest, helps to keep French going in Québec.

    Acajack, would you by any chance happen to have a source for the percentage/number of people in Catalunya or Barcelona who speak only Spanish? I can’t find one.

    littlerob

    January 4, 2009 at 5:36 pm

  11. littlerob:

    I think you might find this stuff interesting:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Catalonia

    http://www20.gencat.cat/docs/Llengcat/Documents/Publicacions/Publicacions%20en%20linea/Arxius/sl_situation_tables.pdf

    All in all, the population of Catalonia is almost evenly split between Catalan and Spanish (Castellano) speakers (as opposed to the 85% share of French speakers in Quebec). In Catalonia, it depends on which measure you use (first language learned as a child vs. language most often used today). Most people agree that the realistic breakdown is a slight advantage to Catalan, say 55% to 45%. Castellano probably has a slight edge in Barcelona, whereas Catalan is slightly stronger outside the city.

    Catalan is probably getting a boost (it is higher in current language of usage than as a first language) because Catalonia has a unified school system where part of the day is in Catalan and part of the day is in Castellano. There is no separate school system for Castellano speakers in Catalonia.

    As you can see from the figures on the Wikipedia page, something like 95% of the population of Catalonia “understands” Catalan, but only 75% can speak it. The % of people who can write it is substantially less.

    Canada measures this stuff differently, and asks people if they know a language enough to sustain a conversation. In the case of Quebec, by this measure something like 95% of the population can speak French. The figure for Montreal is somewhere around 90% if I recall.

    So, as I said, French is in a more favourable situation in Quebec than Catalan is in Catalonia. One of the main reasons is the presence of a much larger number of native Castellano speakers in Catalonia, most of whom are internal migrants from other regions of Spain. Catalonia is the richest part of Spain. These migrants are referred to as “charnegos” in Catalonia, which is considered by many to be a derogatory term.

    Now, since Quebec is a “middle-of-the-road” province economically in Canada, it’s not really much of a destination for anglo job-seekers from the ROC.

    Imagine hundreds of thousands of Newfoundlanders, Manitobans and Ontarians moving to Quebec in search of work. That’s Catalonia in Spain.

    Acajack

    January 4, 2009 at 10:53 pm

  12. “Québec is not out of the woods with preserving French, but Loi 101 is a good start. I don’t know what it’ll take to get the void of French filled in Montréal, because the last thing they need is for it to have a black hole effect and literally create a vacuum for English to spread at the expense of French.”

    Well, I’d say the jury is still out on what will happen. This thread has had a lot of pessimism about French in Montreal, and I admit to contributing to it myself. As you accurately point out, Bill 101 (especially the schooling provisions) is having an effect and has nonetheless put French on a stronger footing than it has been in centuries.

    If you look at this study, you will see that generally speaking the law is working quite well in most schools on Montreal Island:
    http://im.metropolis.net/research-policy/research_content/partid/int_meth.pdf

    An interesting finding is that French does pretty well in “United Nations” type schools, even those where native francophone Quebecois are virtually absent. The determining factors for the kids adopting English rather than French (in the minority of situations where this occurs) seem to be more:

    1) an overwhelming anglo environment in the neighbourhood where the school is located

    OR

    2) the presence of large numbers of students of who were anglicized prior to entering the French school (think Italian and Greek Montrealers whose parents were born before Bill 101, or kids from countries like India or Pakistan).

    Bottom line is that the future in Montreal is likely to be more francophones of various origins like Amir Khadir butting heads with the odd unilingual anglos that are still left in town.

    That is, unless the balance is tipped by a continued migration of unilingual anglos to Montreal from the ROC and elsewhere, and if these newcomers continue to take advantage of the steadily increasing bilingualism of the francophone Quebecois (that has accompanied the meteoric rise of this group’s education levels since the 1960s) in order to opt out of learning French.

    Acajack

    January 4, 2009 at 11:06 pm

  13. Kudos for acknowledging Israel’s grievance.

    Comparisons between “Palestine” and “Quebec” may be inevitable. They’re also likely to be faulty, even feverish.

    In the Palestinian territories religion dominates secularism. In Quebec it’s the opposite. In Israel, the more anterior claim to the land belongs to the Jews. In Quebec it’s the francophones. Etc. And each land is filled with complicated, individual stories that remain buried behind the headlines.

    Jeremayakovka

    January 5, 2009 at 3:22 am

  14. “Oui, mais le problème n’est vraiment pas la langue anglaise de ROC, c’est la hégémonie mondiale des E.E.-U.U. Hollywood…. ”

    I hear this all the time and used to think it myself but I have come to disagree with it. It is the classic rallying cry of (English-)Canadian nationalists à la Mel Hurtig who want this country’s francophones to band together with the anglophones and take on the American juggernaut.

    The truth is that Brad Pitt has never barked back “I don’t speak French!” to a client who has dared to demand service in that language in a store in Quebec. Tom Cruise, to my knowledge, has never personally imposed English as a workplace language on majority francophone Québécois.

    Sure, the Hollywood steamroller is an issue in Quebec just as it is elsewhere in most of the world. But that’s not the main issue here, and is far down the list behind the way Canada has been set up politically, institutionally and economically.

    But the main issue here is in fact a local one. The prevalence of English in Montreal is mostly an Anglo-Montreal-generated phenomenon, and is addressed in this thread (where you will find my views on the topic on 10 Oct 08 at 9:00 am):

    http://angryfrenchguy.com/2008/09/21/in-montreal-liberals-try-to-speak-french-and-the-bloc-wont-speak-english/

    Acajack

    January 5, 2009 at 11:07 am

  15. Bruce: “Anglo schools should be required to provide at least 55% French content, and no graduation priviledge without basic competency demonstrated in French.”

    The issue not so really with the elementary or secondary school systems. Consider that probably more than half of the students in the English Montreal School Board are today in French immersion, which means that most of their learning day is spent in French. And for those anglo kids in English schools who are in the non-immersion stream, they still spend about one third of the day in French!

    Note also that some 10% of anglo kids in Quebec who could go to the English schools (immersion or non-immersion) forego this option and simply go to regular French schools with the native francophones and most of the immigrant kids.

    Which is to say that my “ball park buddies”, at least those who would be born and bred Montrealers, are a product of another era and an endangered species.

    The rub, as Hamlet would say, is how many of my “ball park buddies” will be replaced by newcomers to Quebec (either from the ROC or from other countries) who will continue to “ride” on the bilingualism of other non-francophone Montrealers to remain unilingual.

    This isn’t as much of a non-factor as people think, since much of the real population growth comes from newcomers, who generally arrive as adults and of course soon end up in the workplace where, if they can’t speak French, the language of work often ends up being English, often just to accommodate them. And so the cycle goes on and on, and Montreal is provided with a (seemingly) endlessly replenished supply of people who can’t speak French.

    And when all those kids learning French in school in Montreal end up in the workplace as adults, they’ll be surprised at how (largely courtesy of these newcomers), resolutely English much of the Montreal job market still is, in spite of 30+ years of Bill 101.

    Acajack

    January 5, 2009 at 2:49 pm

  16. Acajack–thanks for the headsup.

    littlerob

    January 5, 2009 at 2:54 pm

  17. “Probably you need to link various priviledges to language basic proficiency — as has been suggested, drivers license for one.”

    This policy is already firmly in place in La belle province.
    Real patriots won’t even look at quirky, English-looking pictograms littering the landscape, just another tool of opression against the French…

    FrankD.

    January 5, 2009 at 3:22 pm

  18. Am I the only one here who understood that afg was NOT making predictions for a future independent Quebec attacked by anglo terrorists, nor was he making any parallel with the situation now, but merely trying to “illustrate” how the situation is probably viewed from the Israelis’ perspective by making up a sci-fi scenario ?…

    Raman

    January 5, 2009 at 10:58 pm

  19. Thank you for you honesty and sometimes i feel like th eonly one who believe Israel deserves a right to exist

    homelessgirl

    February 3, 2009 at 2:58 pm

  20. You are all idiots.

    Anglo

    September 27, 2012 at 1:08 pm


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