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	<title>Comments on: Elsewhere, to talk of racial &#8220;purity&#8221; is repugnant. Not in Quebec.  Part Two.</title>
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		<title>By: Québecautochtone</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh jester, you&#039;re funny. 

First Marois is guilty for making hard choices to balance the budget, then for not balancing it enough. Make up your mind and avoid selectivly bashing the Souverainiste mouvement while giving a free pass to others.

I say &#039;&#039;not balancing it enough&#039;&#039;, because the anexationist Liberal government didn&#039;t change the way they hold the books. So done with your first double-standard. (As a bonus they actually also did illegal stuff, plenty of it. I would have enjoyed them in jail for their systematic frauds and a couple of them, like Tony Tomassi, might indeed go to jail.)

Anexionists liberals didn&#039;t repair the healthcare system, by the way waiting lists got worse. 

Also would you please drop the &#039;&#039;think of the children&#039;&#039; moral panic about the education reform now that we clearly saw that students from reformed education perform just as well or slightly better when they reach non-reformed upper education? Our made-in-Québec education model works fine. It would be greately appreciated if you kept the souverainiste-bashing at least distantly connected to reality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh jester, you&#8217;re funny. </p>
<p>First Marois is guilty for making hard choices to balance the budget, then for not balancing it enough. Make up your mind and avoid selectivly bashing the Souverainiste mouvement while giving a free pass to others.</p>
<p>I say &#8221;not balancing it enough&#8221;, because the anexationist Liberal government didn&#8217;t change the way they hold the books. So done with your first double-standard. (As a bonus they actually also did illegal stuff, plenty of it. I would have enjoyed them in jail for their systematic frauds and a couple of them, like Tony Tomassi, might indeed go to jail.)</p>
<p>Anexionists liberals didn&#8217;t repair the healthcare system, by the way waiting lists got worse. </p>
<p>Also would you please drop the &#8221;think of the children&#8221; moral panic about the education reform now that we clearly saw that students from reformed education perform just as well or slightly better when they reach non-reformed upper education? Our made-in-Québec education model works fine. It would be greately appreciated if you kept the souverainiste-bashing at least distantly connected to reality.</p>
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		<title>By: thejester</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pauline Marois, wasn&#039;t she the one responisble for screwing up the health care system Quebec? If I reall correctly, she was the one responsible for the bill that retired hundreds of general practitioners, senior nurses and also so closing up slots in the nursing programs in the CEGEPs. Today we have a shortage of GPs, and nurses.

She also  screwed up the education system  royally. Because this is a &quot;Made in Quebec&quot; program, all the books fo rthe education have to be by Quebec authors. As a result, the program is now being implemented at the senior secondary level. The English schools will have to wait for up to 2 years before the books are translated, while the French schools have had the books in their inventories sfor over a year.

Now I regress to her stint as Finance minister. I wouldn&#039;t trust her with my allowance. It seems that 24 billion of debt was conveniently hidden from the incoming Liberal government. She declared later, that they used standard business practices. These are they same accounting tricks used by Enron. So why wasn&#039;t she prosecuted and put in jail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pauline Marois, wasn&#8217;t she the one responisble for screwing up the health care system Quebec? If I reall correctly, she was the one responsible for the bill that retired hundreds of general practitioners, senior nurses and also so closing up slots in the nursing programs in the CEGEPs. Today we have a shortage of GPs, and nurses.</p>
<p>She also  screwed up the education system  royally. Because this is a &#8220;Made in Quebec&#8221; program, all the books fo rthe education have to be by Quebec authors. As a result, the program is now being implemented at the senior secondary level. The English schools will have to wait for up to 2 years before the books are translated, while the French schools have had the books in their inventories sfor over a year.</p>
<p>Now I regress to her stint as Finance minister. I wouldn&#8217;t trust her with my allowance. It seems that 24 billion of debt was conveniently hidden from the incoming Liberal government. She declared later, that they used standard business practices. These are they same accounting tricks used by Enron. So why wasn&#8217;t she prosecuted and put in jail.</p>
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		<title>By: deprenyl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[deprenyl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 23:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; &#039;Annexationist&#039; has the same undertones, but from the other extreme. It implies that something that already existed legitimately on its own has been forcibly amalgamated with another entity. Once again, the undertone is that the amalgamation of the two is somehow unnatural and artificial. &quot;

I like you Acajack, you think clearly. It was a neologism in english for me too, had to look it up. I don&#039;t recognize the legitimity of 1867, which is continuous , on a straight line, with 1837-39. Also, since it&#039;s always better to start from somewhere, I choose to start with Maurice Séguin&#039;s work, where the term &#039;séparatisme&#039; is predominently used to refer to the continuing ideology of the existence of a separate Canadien (later French-Canadian) nation, not a political project per se. One of his masterworks is titled &#039;Histoire de deux nationalismes au Canada&#039;; sounds  like a tempting read, doesn&#039;t it? It delivers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; &#8216;Annexationist&#8217; has the same undertones, but from the other extreme. It implies that something that already existed legitimately on its own has been forcibly amalgamated with another entity. Once again, the undertone is that the amalgamation of the two is somehow unnatural and artificial. &#8221;</p>
<p>I like you Acajack, you think clearly. It was a neologism in english for me too, had to look it up. I don&#8217;t recognize the legitimity of 1867, which is continuous , on a straight line, with 1837-39. Also, since it&#8217;s always better to start from somewhere, I choose to start with Maurice Séguin&#8217;s work, where the term &#8216;séparatisme&#8217; is predominently used to refer to the continuing ideology of the existence of a separate Canadien (later French-Canadian) nation, not a political project per se. One of his masterworks is titled &#8216;Histoire de deux nationalismes au Canada&#8217;; sounds  like a tempting read, doesn&#8217;t it? It delivers.</p>
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		<title>By: Acajack</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 13:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In English-speaking Canada, it is unfortunately often a truism that Quebec is much, much more racist than the rest of the country. You can say this at a cocktail party with educated people and almost no one will bat an eye, or the rare person who will protest will be shot down by others who will invariably pull out anecdotal examples: yeah, but what about money and the ethnic vote, Lionel Groulx, the sign law, etc. And nobody ever, ever brings up Jim Keegstra, Malcolm Ross, starlight tours, Ipperwash, Caledonia or Africville to balance things out. And nobody even realizes that to label an entire identifiable group of 7 million people with the “racist” tag is, wait a minute, actually racist in itself. 

When media like Macleans poll Canadians and ask people which province is the most racist/intolerant/xenophobic, people in the 9 other provinces always pick Quebec first by a wide margin (Alberta is usually a distant second). Then, a few columns later in the same article are the numbers where people from each of the provinces were themselves surveyed on racial questions, and Quebecers will generally answer with what one would call racist attitudes in strikingly similar proportions to other Canadians (and sometimes in lower proportions than certain provinces). 

Now, you should note that I am not a Quebec separatist looking for examples of stuff like this in order to justify Quebec leaving Canada. I am just relating what I see, hear and read out there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In English-speaking Canada, it is unfortunately often a truism that Quebec is much, much more racist than the rest of the country. You can say this at a cocktail party with educated people and almost no one will bat an eye, or the rare person who will protest will be shot down by others who will invariably pull out anecdotal examples: yeah, but what about money and the ethnic vote, Lionel Groulx, the sign law, etc. And nobody ever, ever brings up Jim Keegstra, Malcolm Ross, starlight tours, Ipperwash, Caledonia or Africville to balance things out. And nobody even realizes that to label an entire identifiable group of 7 million people with the “racist” tag is, wait a minute, actually racist in itself. </p>
<p>When media like Macleans poll Canadians and ask people which province is the most racist/intolerant/xenophobic, people in the 9 other provinces always pick Quebec first by a wide margin (Alberta is usually a distant second). Then, a few columns later in the same article are the numbers where people from each of the provinces were themselves surveyed on racial questions, and Quebecers will generally answer with what one would call racist attitudes in strikingly similar proportions to other Canadians (and sometimes in lower proportions than certain provinces). </p>
<p>Now, you should note that I am not a Quebec separatist looking for examples of stuff like this in order to justify Quebec leaving Canada. I am just relating what I see, hear and read out there.</p>
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		<title>By: RoryBellows</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 04:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I must not read the same blogs as you. I just don&#039;t come across that many instances of Quebec bashing. Not that I&#039;m suggesting it doesn&#039;t exist, or that if the subject is brought up, the average Canadian won&#039;t be of the opinion that Quebec has some racist tendencies, but I find anglo-bashing to be a much more popular sport in the blogosphere. You guys still cite a Jan Wong article from 2 years ago to prove your point, I can find new examples on daily basis at vigile.net, among many other places. 

As for calling off the dogs, I have tried. I&#039;ve been banned a couple of times by the friendly folks at Canadadivided.com and I had a series of funny e-mail exchanges with the leader of Affiliation Quebec a little while back. But in the end, those people don&#039;t need my ridcule, as the ridiculousness of their arguments is already obvious to anyone who reads their material.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must not read the same blogs as you. I just don&#8217;t come across that many instances of Quebec bashing. Not that I&#8217;m suggesting it doesn&#8217;t exist, or that if the subject is brought up, the average Canadian won&#8217;t be of the opinion that Quebec has some racist tendencies, but I find anglo-bashing to be a much more popular sport in the blogosphere. You guys still cite a Jan Wong article from 2 years ago to prove your point, I can find new examples on daily basis at vigile.net, among many other places. </p>
<p>As for calling off the dogs, I have tried. I&#8217;ve been banned a couple of times by the friendly folks at Canadadivided.com and I had a series of funny e-mail exchanges with the leader of Affiliation Quebec a little while back. But in the end, those people don&#8217;t need my ridcule, as the ridiculousness of their arguments is already obvious to anyone who reads their material.</p>
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		<title>By: Acajack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Acajack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 00:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“It’s nothing to be proud of, but… quand on se compare on se console…”-AFG&quot;

It does appear childish to do this it is true. However, perhaps people like AFG wouldn’t feel the need to do it if there weren’t 567,975,567,555* instances in the blogosphere and even in serious media (cf Jan Wong) that strongly suggest that Quebec is the most racist, xenophobic, ethnocentric of places where the election of someone like Kotto is totally impossible (I am actually being polite here, as things are normally much more vitriolic than that), usually accompanied by self-righteous statements of how the Rest of Canada is a multicultural nirvana-land of milk and honey. 

I for one would be more than happy to see all of this silliness come to an end. So call off your dogs Anglo-Canada and then maybe we can have a real adult discussion. 

*VM, you yourself actually contributed number 567,975,567,556 when you referred to “crazed nationalists” on another thread in this very blog on May 24!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“It’s nothing to be proud of, but… quand on se compare on se console…”-AFG&#8221;</p>
<p>It does appear childish to do this it is true. However, perhaps people like AFG wouldn’t feel the need to do it if there weren’t 567,975,567,555* instances in the blogosphere and even in serious media (cf Jan Wong) that strongly suggest that Quebec is the most racist, xenophobic, ethnocentric of places where the election of someone like Kotto is totally impossible (I am actually being polite here, as things are normally much more vitriolic than that), usually accompanied by self-righteous statements of how the Rest of Canada is a multicultural nirvana-land of milk and honey. </p>
<p>I for one would be more than happy to see all of this silliness come to an end. So call off your dogs Anglo-Canada and then maybe we can have a real adult discussion. </p>
<p>*VM, you yourself actually contributed number 567,975,567,556 when you referred to “crazed nationalists” on another thread in this very blog on May 24!</p>
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		<title>By: VM</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 23:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am slightly disturbed by the apologist tone of this post. Just because the PQ now has a 2nd! *gasp* non-white MNA that does not mean that there is no racism in Quebec, or that militant nationalism is in any way compatible with a cosmopolitan multiculturalism.
If you have to say you&#039;re multicultural by pointing to the one black MNA in your party, then you probably aren&#039;t.
Also, the &quot;if they don&#039;t do it, why should we?&quot; logic that Mr. AngryFrenchGuy tends to employ here, is simply mind-boggling to me. So what if Ontario&#039;s record is worse? Does that mean that Quebec is a multicultural heaven? A quick reality check will surely cast doubt on that assumption. 

&quot;It’s nothing to be proud of, but… quand on se compare on se console…&quot;-AFG

Yeah, let&#039;s stop doing that please, because it doesn&#039;t help in the slightest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am slightly disturbed by the apologist tone of this post. Just because the PQ now has a 2nd! *gasp* non-white MNA that does not mean that there is no racism in Quebec, or that militant nationalism is in any way compatible with a cosmopolitan multiculturalism.<br />
If you have to say you&#8217;re multicultural by pointing to the one black MNA in your party, then you probably aren&#8217;t.<br />
Also, the &#8220;if they don&#8217;t do it, why should we?&#8221; logic that Mr. AngryFrenchGuy tends to employ here, is simply mind-boggling to me. So what if Ontario&#8217;s record is worse? Does that mean that Quebec is a multicultural heaven? A quick reality check will surely cast doubt on that assumption. </p>
<p>&#8220;It’s nothing to be proud of, but… quand on se compare on se console…&#8221;-AFG</p>
<p>Yeah, let&#8217;s stop doing that please, because it doesn&#8217;t help in the slightest.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Bob</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Oh, and memo to Pauline Marois&quot;
My, aren&#039;t we pretentious...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh, and memo to Pauline Marois&#8221;<br />
My, aren&#8217;t we pretentious&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Acajack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Acajack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 13:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this “Quebec annexationists” neologism is an attempt to affix a negative appellation on the federalist camp, turning the tables on them (especially since sovereignists and indépendantistes are routinely referred to as separatists or even “séparatistes” in French). 

If you look at it from the point of view of semantics, the word “separatist” implies taking something out of an existing whole. The implication is that the break you want to make is somehow unnatural or artificial.

“Annexationist” has the same undertones, but from the other extreme. It implies that something that already existed legitimately on its own has been forcibly amalgamated with another entity. Once again, the undertone is that the amalgamation of the two is somehow unnatural and artificial.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this “Quebec annexationists” neologism is an attempt to affix a negative appellation on the federalist camp, turning the tables on them (especially since sovereignists and indépendantistes are routinely referred to as separatists or even “séparatistes” in French). </p>
<p>If you look at it from the point of view of semantics, the word “separatist” implies taking something out of an existing whole. The implication is that the break you want to make is somehow unnatural or artificial.</p>
<p>“Annexationist” has the same undertones, but from the other extreme. It implies that something that already existed legitimately on its own has been forcibly amalgamated with another entity. Once again, the undertone is that the amalgamation of the two is somehow unnatural and artificial.</p>
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		<title>By: RoryBellows</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RoryBellows]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 01:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deprenyl, I&#039;ve never heard Quebecois annexationists before. It&#039;s both inclusive and divisive at the same time. Thanks, I think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deprenyl, I&#8217;ve never heard Quebecois annexationists before. It&#8217;s both inclusive and divisive at the same time. Thanks, I think.</p>
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